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05-02-2016 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Trundle888
I do see what you mean and where you're coming from Aussie but I disagree.
I believe there are a lot of people, like myself, who don't have particularly deep pockets but want to play well structured poker. I understand some players precious time may be too valuable to 'waste' on these kind of tournaments but for a lot of recreational players, I'm sure they are exactly what they are looking for.
I'm not saying there isn't a market, but it's just not that big. Aside from the guaranteed events last year, the average GN tourney averaged in the mid 100s in terms of entrants. The one day tourneys hosted elsewhere averaged larger fields than that. Also, as the buy-ins increase to $350 - $600 range, the field sizes and prize pools do too.

I'd venture to suggest that many players would rather play 1x $400 one day tourney with $15 - $20k up top than 2x 2-day $200 tourneys with less than $5k up top. It's more productive.
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05-02-2016 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Aussie Rhino
Truth be told, I don't think there's a huge market for multi-day low buy in events with such small prize pools. Even if they get 200 runners (probably quite a bit less) for a $240 event, making day 2 only guarantees you about $500 and that's a huge time commitment for such a low payout.
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Originally Posted by Trundle888
I do see what you mean and where you're coming from Aussie but I disagree.
I believe there are a lot of people, like myself, who don't have particularly deep pockets but want to play well structured poker. I understand some players precious time may be too valuable to 'waste' on these kind of tournaments but for a lot of recreational players, I'm sure they are exactly what they are looking for.
I'm not sure it really has anything to do with the player market. I am not prepare to say whether there is a substantial amount of players out there who would like to play 2-day events in the $200 range, but I know the casinos are not prepared to offer them unless players are willing to pay 30-35%+ rakes. You need to remember that longer tournaments means more labor hours and less space being available for other things. So, it just doesn't make economic sense to hold such a lengthy event for such a small buy-in.
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05-02-2016 , 08:49 PM
As a former dealer and card room manager I 100% agree with you Akashenk, these tournaments are very inefficient and can even lose money. However as a player, the running costs and logistics of running these tournaments are no longer my problem
One thing that obviously works in a casinos (not cardrooms) favour running tournaments like this at a loss, they are getting people through their doors where they will be eating, drinking, gambling and maybe even staying at the hotel.
I couldn't tell you how many times Ive watched poker players feed hundreds of dollars into slot machines while waiting for a tournament to restart after a break and of course once players bust out the cash tables fill up and the room can start filling its cash boxes with rake.

Last edited by Trundle888; 05-02-2016 at 09:01 PM.
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05-05-2016 , 06:11 PM
I thought the 350$ 2-day events last year were great. I wont play at GN much at all if they go to 1 day this year. I can play a 1 day every weekend at home
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05-07-2016 , 03:47 PM
structure ?
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05-07-2016 , 10:33 PM
Structures will be provided following the first break of your respective tournament.

- Have a nice summer
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05-07-2016 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by patstap2
Straight out of the pits and the worst I'd ever seen. Will say they were apologetic and admitted they had little experience.

Some couldn't chop a pot, didn't know basic tournament rules, couldn't collect antes correctly, etc, etc etc. Multiple mis-deals per down.

I swore I would never return, but last year I did play the 8-game. Figured they would be using their more experienced dealers for it and they were generally competent. I didn't play any of their other events but heard the dealers were much more competent than in earlier years.


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Originally Posted by akashenk
I'm not sure it really has anything to do with the player market. I am not prepare to say whether there is a substantial amount of players out there who would like to play 2-day events in the $200 range, but I know the casinos are not prepared to offer them unless players are willing to pay 30-35%+ rakes. You need to remember that longer tournaments means more labor hours and less space being available for other things. So, it just doesn't make economic sense to hold such a lengthy event for such a small buy-in.


Pretty much.

A lot of the more experienced dealers are moving from the WSOP to GN this year. I'm working part time at GN while doing the WSOP full-time. I'm generally experienced and competent in every game, although PLO8 is still a bit of a headache for me. I would say, overall, the quality of dealers should be satisfactory this year, especially in the mixed game areas.
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05-08-2016 , 05:50 AM
all casinos have published structures tournaments for weeks except the golden nuggets despite its promises. Therefore I will not play GNS tournaments this year and I encourage everyone to do the same. Other casinos meet their clients and offer best tournaments.
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05-08-2016 , 10:23 AM
100% agree with salette. And I say everyone goes one further--let the late to the party casinos know that their tardiness has effected your decision as to where to play:

I would have loved to play your [Specific Tournament Of Series Here] on [Date], but your schedule and structures came out so late I had to make travel plans earlier and can't. Instead I'm playing at [Another Tournament At An Unaffiliated Casino] instead. Hopefully next year I can include you in my plans.

Every year its a little longer for the schedules themselves to come out. Every year its a little longer yet to get the structures and fees.
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05-08-2016 , 10:28 AM
I just book my holiday each year, and then work my schedule around that.

There are always plenty of tournaments on, so I just make it easy on myself, and book it around when I want to go.
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05-08-2016 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Can U Get This Out
Structures will be provided following the first break of your respective tournament.

- Have a nice summer


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05-08-2016 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Reducto
To be clear I don't know exactly what the "management changes" were or whether they even happened this year. It could be something that happened last year and word got around. I just know that a number of dealers I respect are planning to switch to GN this year.
The "management changes" were the pissed off dealers who were noobs or sucked and didn't get a table at the wsop, or got sporadic tables.

So now you can have them deal to you at the Nuggie.

The only question you need to axe yourself is if you want to play the wsop or the GN.

My overall read on dealers in Vegas and circuit events is they all generally suck. They are overworked, underpaid and don't get enough sleep. It's a ****ty life so I don't fault them.
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05-10-2016 , 04:11 PM
If you play an event here, who should you talk to to get your parking validated?
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05-10-2016 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLond
If you play an event here, who should you talk to to get your parking validated?
They will stamp your ticket right at the cashier/entry counter, when you pay your entry fee.
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05-11-2016 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by salette
Well spotted Salette! Merci!
Honestly, pretty good structures for 1-day tournaments. I wish we could play until ITM and then come back the next day, but I know many players disagree.
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05-11-2016 , 12:24 PM
Some questionable levels missing:

250-500
500-100
1,200-2,400
2,500-5,000
5,000-10,000
Etc.
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05-11-2016 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Can U Get This Out
Some questionable levels missing:

250-500
500-100
1,200-2,400
2,500-5,000
5,000-10,000
Etc.
Agree. But their priority is to wrap the tournament in one day... so they have to cuts some levels, or reduce the levels length.
That's why I strongly support 2-days events in the summer series, it allows rooms to run a full day 1, with all levels, until the bubble burst. Then you come back the next day with longer levels, better poker, and play down to a winner.
I'd love to see the 235$ Rio deepstack becoming a 2-days event but it's unlikely to happen. Looks like most players prefer 1-day events with a faster structure for buy-ins under 500$.
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05-11-2016 , 05:35 PM
I don't think it's a consideration for people. Not only don't they have a 1-day/2-day preference, from what I've observed it doesn't even occur to people to think of finding out until around the dinner break. More than once I've seen guys make calls during the last level of the day to try and change flights based on the restart time.

As for Golden Nugget, structures aren't that great but what's bad is the juice: $37 out of a $150 buy in.
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05-11-2016 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Eight
Looks like most players prefer 1-day events with a faster structure for buy-ins under 500$.
That's correct. Most recs like me don't want a multi-day commitment for a donkament <= $500. If I have to wake up early for a Day 2 of a donkament and change my plans for the entire day, I want to at least be in the money, e.g., WPT 500, WSOP Colossus.

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Originally Posted by plog
As for Golden Nugget, structures aren't that great but what's bad is the juice: $37 out of a $150 buy in.
+1. I was thinking of playing several $250 tournaments at GN/Binion's, but not after finding out the rake is $50 or unbeatable 20%.
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05-12-2016 , 03:26 PM
They are charging $7 more than last year, when they were literally giving you twice the tournament for your money! Doesn't make any sense at all, surely now they are running only 1-day tournaments the rake, if adjusted at all, should go down as there less dealers, shorter running times etc.
Seems like nothing but pure greed to me!
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05-12-2016 , 03:43 PM
Was going to play the triple 08 comp, and maybe the triple-stud.

If they're that bad, I might just fire another bullet at the main.
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05-13-2016 , 09:56 AM
Has anyone ran this structure (and any other similar price range summer series from other casinos) through the Tournament a Structure Analyser by Plog? It would be interesting to see how they differ, which is best.
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05-13-2016 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Trundle888
Has anyone ran this structure (and any other similar price range summer series from other casinos) through the Tournament a Structure Analyser by Plog? It would be interesting to see how they differ, which is best.
Pretty sure Plog's sheet has the GN comps in it?
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05-13-2016 , 05:07 PM
Plog's link? I use the Patience Factor calculator.

For the $565-U$1,000 NLHE events with 5,000 starting chips, which most recreational players will take their WSOP shot at, such as the Colossus, Ladies, Seniors, Tag Team and Casino Employees, you are already in the Orange Zone by level 3 compared to level 5 before. The Patience Factor worsens from 30.51 to 21.12. The blind-off time (world's most patient player) worsens from 5.52 hours to 4.6.

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Originally Posted by Trundle888
Has anyone ran this structure (and any other similar price range summer series from other casinos) through the Tournament a Structure Analyser by Plog?
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