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07-07-2016 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
Seeing as you have made these changes, why on earth did you keep day 1A to be a 1pm start? 12:00pm, or even 11:00am would have made a great deal more sense. As it stands, day 1A will not be over till well after 2:00 AM. And day 1B... 5:00 AM. Day 1C... 8:00am.

You've basically made it harder for a good number of players who bust out on Day 1 A/B/C to re-enter on day 1 D/E, which, with the consistency I've come to expect, you decided to start at 11:00am. Or, maybe players who were going to budget for two bullets will now just play on Friday where the starting times make a little more sense.
Hate to say it but hes right. Start and extended end times are problematic.
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07-08-2016 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
Seeing as you have made these changes, why on earth did you keep day 1A to be a 1pm start? 12:00pm, or even 11:00am would have made a great deal more sense. As it stands, day 1A will not be over till well after 2:00 AM. And day 1B... 5:00 AM. Day 1C... 8:00am.

You've basically made it harder for a good number of players who bust out on Day 1 A/B/C to re-enter on day 1 D/E, which, with the consistency I've come to expect, you decided to start at 11:00am. Or, maybe players who were going to budget for two bullets will now just play on Friday where the starting times make a little more sense.
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Hate to say it but hes right. Start and extended end times are problematic.
Beware the end of times is upon us.
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07-08-2016 , 11:19 AM
Chris, the number of changes is getting crazy. I went over last night to play 1c of the main since the structures I have say 10 levels. I pick up a sheet and it calls out 12 levels, then I see 14 levels and am told 13.

This is plan stupid and unfair
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07-08-2016 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Noz22
Chris, the number of changes is getting crazy. I went over last night to play 1c of the main since the structures I have say 10 levels. I pick up a sheet and it calls out 12 levels, then I see 14 levels and am told 13.

This is plan stupid and unfair
Sorry for the confusion but everything was announced here and Twitter roughly a week ago. I personally called the starts of all the tourneys and made it very clear we were playing 14 levels (as announced a week ago). If another staff member informed you otherwise I do apologize.

Please understand these changes were made based on what was learned from our Ultimate GOLIATH Stack event which had a similar starting stack and structure. Our restart was over capacity which forced 11 handed tables and the cancellation of one of our featured events of the summer.

We understand that the amount of play on day 1 may not be completely optimal but the changes we made were necessary to insure no one comes back 11 handed and our events on Saturday aren't impacted.

We will take what we learned about this year's Ultimate GOLIATH Stack and GOLIATH Main Event and apply it for next year.
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07-08-2016 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInNTheDark
First time at PH and overall was impressed. Excellent structure for the buy-in, mostly competent dealers (a bit slow on the chopping at times, but that's okay), floor was on top of balancing tables, etc. Also, kudos for running an NLO8 MTT!!!

You guys have a hopping joint, tons of room, and a good staff, so I think you could seize the opportunity left open by GN/Binions (and Caesar's which discontinued their series) by offering low-mid buy-ins of the more popular mixed games (PLO, PLO8, NLO8, Big O8, LO8, Stud8, HORSE). Most players would rather be at a place like PH, which is closer and nicer than the downtown casinos (GN poker room is really nice, but otherwise not nearly as nice as PH IMO).

My suggestions are:
* Have a website with an accurate schedule. Multiple players told me they had to go to Poker Atlas which had wrong start times (2 hours later than actual).
* Pick the more popular mixed games and (besides HORSE) generally stick to a single game (when you combine games, it seems to substantially shrink the field), which I believe you are already doing.
* Try to schedule non-NLHE MTTs around the two other major series (WSOP & DSE) so that they don't conflict. Again, it seems like you are already doing this for the most part, but it is important to continue doing this.
* Set reasonable guarantees which you stand by. A guarantee helps increase the field. I understand not wanting an overlay of course, but using past results as a guide should prevent that from happening except in rare cases.
* Set a schedule which you stand by. When you cancel events, change/remove guarantees, change structures, add/remove flights, etc., I think it creates an aura of uncertainty which hurts your series.
All good suggestions PLUS LIGHTING PLEASE!
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07-08-2016 , 06:36 PM
Played 14 50 minute levels in the main event and i had 1 excellent dealer. About 30% were competant and the rest couldnt count or were extremly slow. Annoying to say the least when you are paying $150 rake would expect a better standard of dealing.
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07-08-2016 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
Played 14 50 minute levels in the main event and i had 1 excellent dealer. About 30% were competant and the rest couldnt count or were extremly slow. Annoying to say the least when you are paying $150 rake would expect a better standard of dealing.
please shoot us a DM on twitter with your table number so we can observe the dealer
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07-08-2016 , 06:44 PM
Thanks for the prompt response. Will follow you now i dont really use twitter.

If you could confirm when day 2 kicks off please. Learnt not to trust poker atlas when i rolled up expecting 10 levels and played 14

On a plus side the tournament was well run by the floor seemed very organised.
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07-08-2016 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
Thanks for the prompt response. Will follow you now i dont really use twitter.

If you could confirm when day 2 kicks off please. Learnt not to trust poker atlas when i rolled up expecting 10 levels and played 14

On a plus side the tournament was well run by the floor seemed very organised.
restart is 4pm Saturday. Thanks for the kind words!
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07-08-2016 , 11:23 PM
Hi Chris, I know you're still in the Goliath Series until Monday but when do you plan on releasing the schedule for next month's WSOP-C?
Thanks!
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07-09-2016 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Eight
Hi Chris, I know you're still in the Goliath Series until Monday but when do you plan on releasing the schedule for next month's WSOP-C?
Thanks!
Days away
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07-16-2016 , 07:41 PM
Update on Circuit Schedule?
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07-17-2016 , 05:27 AM
A few weeks after the event, but I'll give my bit of feedback re the Goliath Ultimate...

1. I came to buy in to a Wed flight on the Sat night as I happened to be having dinner at Koi - I was told this was not possible as it wasn't available in the system and that I had to come back in a couple of days. I thought it said here somewhere that we could buy in to any event from the start of the series.

2. Because of the unexpected entries, our starting tables all moved - I'm not sure who the TD was circling the floor when players turning up were, but he was incredibly rude and yelling at confused players who had every right to be a bit confused.

3. Parking, particularly on Day 2 for some reason, was a problem - people were arriving 20 - 30 mins after the start of play because they'd been held up by valet.

4. I was at an 11-seated table on day 2. This was not pleasant.

5. When the bubble burst, there was only one person on either side of the cash-out line to begin with (ie. 1 checking credentials, 1 doing payouts). This made for a very long line which was pretty unpleasant. This should be easy to fix as there were at least another 3 or 4 spots at the cage.

All this aside, I enjoyed the time at the table, and these things would contribute to improvements.

More broadly speaking in relation to other comments... I agree that there should be a dedicated website, and that the continuous changes make it really difficult for the players. I also don't like messy food at the tables.
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07-17-2016 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Aussie Rhino
5. When the bubble burst, there was only one person on either side of the cash-out line to begin with (ie. 1 checking credentials, 1 doing payouts). This made for a very long line which was pretty unpleasant. This should be easy to fix as there were at least another 3 or 4 spots at the cage.
This was like the problem they had last year, but in reverse. There were 3 or 4 people behind the counter, but they were telling each other stories instead of registering people. It was obvious that none of them had ever played in a poker tournament before. It was the re-entry period, the clock was running, and these people were just standing around telling stories.

I'll repeat my advice from last year - require anyone that's going to work Phamous to play ONE poker tournament. Anywhere. Maybe they'll get some kind of clue at how crappy a job they were doing.
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07-18-2016 , 03:23 AM
Are the results for the events the last couple weeks of the series posted or going to be posted anywhere? I'm kind of curious to look up some of the people I was playing with in the NL O8 event.
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07-18-2016 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLond
Are the results for the events the last couple weeks of the series posted or going to be posted anywhere? I'm kind of curious to look up some of the people I was playing with in the NL O8 event.
How did you do? I remember at least one person at FT from AZ.
I donked out 8th. So it was written, so it had to be done.
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07-18-2016 , 11:49 AM
I finished 2nd, was in 6 seat. What seat were you in?
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07-18-2016 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLond
I finished 2nd, was in 6 seat. What seat were you in?
Well done!
I think I was in the 8 seat?
I was the grinch.
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07-18-2016 , 07:32 PM
Hmm. I think 8 seat was guy who eventually won. It was originally a 10 handed table. I think 9 seat was guy who I was convinced had set of aces earlier and was playing 3k next day. I think 7 seat was super short at final table and one of first couple people out.
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07-18-2016 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLond
Hmm. I think 8 seat was guy who eventually won. It was originally a 10 handed table. I think 9 seat was guy who I was convinced had set of aces earlier and was playing 3k next day. I think 7 seat was super short at final table and one of first couple people out.
I forgot we started 10h at FT. I was 9 seat then. You and another guy were convinced I had AQ and then yet another guy told you he had an A... but later I told you the truth, I had a set of aces on turn.

I had Jesus & Miami John at my table to start day two of 3k, but that table broke quickly and I busted quickly after that.
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07-20-2016 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLond
Are the results for the events the last couple weeks of the series posted or going to be posted anywhere? I'm kind of curious to look up some of the people I was playing with in the NL O8 event.
It's posted on Hendon Mob now.

I was the shortest stack around the bubble, so was just happy to make 3 consecutive FTs and get some rest for 3k. I think I was one of 2 shortest stacks with 8 left. It was fun tourney and enjoyed playing with you guys. My impression was the FT was quite solid.
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07-20-2016 , 12:31 PM
Cool. Yes, I thought it was fun also. I've never really played that variant but it definitely seemed interesting.
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07-20-2016 , 01:33 PM
10-09-2016 , 10:52 PM
I personally agree with this. While re-entries are terrible for recreational players, the Quantum next-flight re-entry format was popular in the World Cup of Cards last month.

Pros already have too much of an advantage over recs with being able to afford as many re-entries as they want, so putting a premium on a Day 2 re-entry with a big stack is reasonable. You have the freedom to choose whichever flight(s) you prefer.

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Originally Posted by QuantumTournaments
The way we structure our tournaments is different for every casino. In some casino’s Quantum will put premiums on specific levels especially on Day 2 Buy-ins. Why do you ask? Some casinos have a larger player base and some casinos have more/less affluent players. The structure can also be slightly different based on the dollar amount of the buy-in. In some cases the larger dollar amount of buy-in has additional levels and additional time of blinds. Quantum’s Day 2 structure is also longer to adjust for the larger buy-in and previous levels.

In order to set a schedule and structure Quantum Tournaments will work with the tournament director to suit an estimated player attendance at the location. For example: A smaller casinos Day 1 flights are 5 to 6 hours. Bigger field casino’s Day 1 flights are 8 to 12 hours. This is why we consider premiums or discounts for flights and Day 2 buy-ins.

All additional monies are added to the prize pool.

We have since taken a standard model and will use this formula for future tournaments;
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10-10-2016 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nash_equilibria
I personally agree with this. While re-entries are terrible for recreational players, the Quantum next-flight re-entry format was popular in the World Cup of Cards last month.

Pros already have too much of an advantage over recs with being able to afford as many re-entries as they want, so putting a premium on a Day 2 re-entry with a big stack is reasonable. You have the freedom to choose whichever flight(s) you prefer.
I'm not sure the premium is sufficient to make up for the sketchy (from a competition standpoint) nature of day-two buy-ins, but that is a topic for another time. In the meantime, I think you meant to say people with deep pockets, not pros, have an advantage over rec players. There are an abundance of professional poker players that don't have the financial wherewithal to afford one entry into certain tournaments, never mind multiple entries. And there are plenty of rec players who are far richer than even the most successful poker players.

So, if an advantage exists, it is based on the wealth of the player, not their skill. That being said, I think its kind of an urban legend regarding this mythical disadvantage "rec" players face in re-entry formats. Of course, a skilled player will have a natural advantage over a lesser-skilled player in pretty much any competitive situation. But if that skilled player is wagering 2x, 3x or more compared to the lesser-skilled player, the advantage from an EV standpoint dissipates in a hurry.

And in a world where a relatively small number of discreet events (running deep in big tourneys) typically makes all the difference in the bottom line, if a rec player is only playing a limited number of tourneys (by definition), then it is better for them to be exposed to as many large prizepools as possible. Re-entry formats make this possible. There is a point where it gets kind of ridiculous of course (unlimited re-entry, IMO), but allowing 1 re-entry, or 1 per day 1, for instance, is not a bad thing for the game.
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