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Old 05-26-2011, 05:04 AM   #16
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Re: Four States Poker Championship at Downstream

Ill be attending at least a few of the tournaments, they have only 1 split pot tournament and its L08/Stud8 but ill for sure be playing in the TD 2-7. Cant believe they have Razz and TD but no straight limit or pl 08.

Play at downstream once a week usually I dont have high hopes for the tournament structure, their floor and dealers are all pretty terrible.
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:19 PM   #17
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Just called Downstream and asked if it was possible to rent a room as I am under 21 and they were very hesitant at first but gave in and provided me one with the Four States Poker Tournament rates. I would give it a shot if you were in the same boat.

I would also be absolutely interested in meeting any fellow 2+2'ers while we are there. First live poker tournament for me and would be nice to meet some new friends.
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Old 05-27-2011, 06:15 PM   #18
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The structure for the first event was absolutely terrible. It needs twice the time and twice the levels. Skill not as big a factor even over this field.

These fields would be so juicy if they did, it's insane. One guy limp folded 4bbs utg with aqs lol. Another lady called off 3/4 her stack on 5678r with at, of course 9 ball corner pocket on river. The look on the other guy's face was priceless. The same lady flat called QQ in sb for way too much vs my iso otb of ep shortstack limper and then tank folded to my iso shove after shortstack went all-in. I was stunned. I'v seen bad play but this was borderline insanity. You can't make this stuff up.

There was 1 person at my table besides myself that would enter pots for a raise consistently. After first hour and half, if you wanted to cbet it was like 1/4 of effec stack usually.

Jumping from 200/400 to 300/600 when avg stack was 5.5k lol.

I have to leave early because of a family emergency but I was not touching another tournament from them with a ten foot pole anyways. I will check the main structure just to make sure but I doubt it will be any better.

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Old 05-27-2011, 08:40 PM   #19
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The structure for the first event was absolutely terrible. It needs twice the time and twice the levels. Skill not as big a factor even over this field.

These fields would be so juicy if they did, it's insane. One guy limp folded 4bbs utg with aqs lol. Another lady called off 3/4 her stack on 5678r with at, of course 9 ball corner pocket on river. The look on the other guy's face was priceless. The same lady flat called QQ in sb for way too much vs my iso otb of ep shortstack limper and then tank folded to my iso shove after shortstack went all-in. I was stunned. I'v seen bad play but this was borderline insanity. You can't make this stuff up.

There was 1 person at my table besides myself that would enter pots for a raise consistently. After first hour and half, if you wanted to cbet it was like 1/4 of effec stack usually.

Jumping from 200/400 to 300/600 when avg stack was 5.5k lol.

I have to leave early because of a family emergency but I was not touching another tournament from them with a ten foot pole anyways. I will check the main structure just to make sure but I doubt it will be any better.

These seems pretty much par for them, their tournaments and dailies are pretty god awful.
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Old 05-28-2011, 12:20 AM   #20
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Re: Four States Poker Championship at Downstream

That is disappointing to hear. I hope that the following events will have a little better structure. Happy to read that the field is super duper soft though. Still gonna put my feet in the water
of live poker and play 5 events.
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Old 05-28-2011, 10:38 AM   #21
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Re: Four States Poker Championship at Downstream

Hey guys, i'm a local player i live in Springfield and i play at downstream at least twice a week. The tournaments at downstream are usually pretty bad, the structures make for really fast pace. Most of the players that play at downstream are a bunch of old tight players that seem very loose passive.

I normally don't play live tournaments just cash games, which at downstream are very lucrative. During the 4 States last year the actual poker room was crazy busy. They had 1-2, 2-5, and 5-10 going on and a lot of good action on these tables from out of towners.

The hotel rooms at downstream are realllly nice, so if you can stay in those you won't regret it. If you play in the series you will be playing in the pavillion which is located just outside of the casino near the pool.

Last year i finished 11th in the main event which was only good for $1,100(the buyin last year was $550 and only saw about 120 players). I'm only 22 years old so i had a lot of people give me the "kid" approach when trying to play pots vs me and giving me no credit for tight play.

Good luck guys if you all have any more questions let me know, and i'll see ya down there
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Old 05-28-2011, 09:30 PM   #22
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Re: Four States Poker Championship at Downstream

See ya there if your playing in the Razz, NLHE/PLO, TD27 tournies.
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Old 05-29-2011, 03:21 AM   #23
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I play at DS all the time. Very nice room and New Tournament area outback where the host concerts. It will be down in numbers this year due to Tornado that hit though. GoodLuck if you go.
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Old 05-29-2011, 03:53 AM   #24
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I'm still a little frustrated that I drove 4.5 hours to play this disgrace, so I will post a little more in hopes of discouraging anybody from making the same mistake. Don't do anything but PLAY CASH if you go. I guess I just assumed from my little live experience that everything would be run like Pokerstars events. (Big mistake I know)

The tournament director was an ass. I arrived about an hour early, walked into the front doors of the pavilion, which were wide open, where they host tournaments and took my seat. There were about 6 players already there all talking at the same table. Eventually after about ten minutes I went out the side door to the bathroom and came back in to see staff scurrying around then the TD said to me in an arrogant tone to "wait outside like everyone else". I obviously realized that they had kicked everyone out and was leaving anyway. I shrugged it off thinking it was nothing, but I began to talk with an older gentleman who said he was an ass to everyone else too. Multiple players joined our conversation sharing the same sentiment. Next time lock the door dumbass. You aren't Matt Savage. I don't respect you because you are some TD at a degen casino with a $300 ME (God forbid they host a 1k, not being sarcastic at all)that presumably has a structure similar to a hyper turbo sat sng. You need to respect your clients.

The table I played at was literally tie-dye, and the dealer (who thought we were playing NL Omaha when they only have 2 "plo" events I believe) for the first 3 levels shipped the pot the wrong way 3 times and had to be corrected by the players. Her dealing omaha would scare me to death. Most of this praise is so unwarranted. If you didn't act in 3 seconds they thought you didn't know the action was one you even postflop. I'm trying to think and they are repeating the bet to me. Chill out, I'm deciding on a bet sizing which you only do about the first 1 hr 30 min bc after that playing flops/doing anything but shoving is borderline so shallow.

No enforcement of correct stacking of chips (eg lone 1k on bottom of stack of 100s). The list goes on and on. The hand I posted about earlier where I iso shoved, dealer (different than one that shipped wrong way three times) didn't hear me at first because her attention span was like 5 secs so I said All-in again. She said call. I was like no "all-in".

I don't know how you guys play there at all.

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Old 05-29-2011, 05:16 AM   #25
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I'm still a little frustrated that I drove 4.5 hours to play this disgrace, so I will post a little more in hopes of discouraging anybody from making the same mistake. Don't do anything but PLAY CASH if you go. I guess I just assumed from my little live experience that everything would be run like Pokerstars events. (Big mistake I know)

The tournament director was an ass. I arrived about an hour early, walked into the front doors of the pavilion, which were wide open, where they host tournaments and took my seat. There were about 6 players already there all talking at the same table. Eventually after about ten minutes I went out the side door to the bathroom and came back in to see staff scurrying around then the TD said to me in an arrogant tone to "wait outside like everyone else". I obviously realized that they had kicked everyone out and was leaving anyway. I shrugged it off thinking it was nothing, but I began to talk with an older gentleman who said he was an ass to everyone else too. Multiple players joined our conversation sharing the same sentiment. Next time lock the door dumbass. You aren't Matt Savage. I don't respect you because you are some TD at a degen casino with a $300 ME (God forbid they host a 1k, not being sarcastic at all)that presumably has a structure similar to a hyper turbo sat sng. You need to respect your clients.

The table I played at was literally tie-dye, and the dealer (who thought we were playing NL Omaha when they only have 2 "plo" events I believe) for the first 3 levels shipped the pot the wrong way 3 times and had to be corrected by the players. Her dealing omaha would scare me to death. Most of this praise is so unwarranted. If you didn't act in 3 seconds they thought you didn't know the action was one you even postflop. I'm trying to think and they are repeating the bet to me. Chill out, I'm deciding on a bet sizing which you only do about the first 1 hr 30 min bc after that playing flops/doing anything but shoving is borderline so shallow.

No enforcement of correct stacking of chips (eg lone 1k on bottom of stack of 100s). The list goes on and on. The hand I posted about earlier where I iso shoved, dealer (different than one that shipped wrong way three times) didn't hear me at first because her attention span was like 5 secs so I said All-in again. She said call. I was like no "all-in".

I don't know how you guys play there at all.
I haven't been there since Jan. but before that was a weekly visitor. I will keep that in mind. If your looking for great structures the wsop circuits have awesome structures I deal them and just wish I was playing when I see the donks play them like turbos. Hate to say it but until August all the good tournaments are in Vegas.
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:40 AM   #26
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I'm still a little frustrated that I drove 4.5 hours to play this disgrace, so I will post a little more in hopes of discouraging anybody from making the same mistake. Don't do anything but PLAY CASH if you go. I guess I just assumed from my little live experience that everything would be run like Pokerstars events. (Big mistake I know)

The tournament director was an ass. I arrived about an hour early, walked into the front doors of the pavilion, which were wide open, where they host tournaments and took my seat. There were about 6 players already there all talking at the same table. Eventually after about ten minutes I went out the side door to the bathroom and came back in to see staff scurrying around then the TD said to me in an arrogant tone to "wait outside like everyone else". I obviously realized that they had kicked everyone out and was leaving anyway. I shrugged it off thinking it was nothing, but I began to talk with an older gentleman who said he was an ass to everyone else too. Multiple players joined our conversation sharing the same sentiment. Next time lock the door dumbass. You aren't Matt Savage. I don't respect you because you are some TD at a degen casino with a $300 ME (God forbid they host a 1k, not being sarcastic at all)that presumably has a structure similar to a hyper turbo sat sng. You need to respect your clients.

The table I played at was literally tie-dye, and the dealer (who thought we were playing NL Omaha when they only have 2 "plo" events I believe) for the first 3 levels shipped the pot the wrong way 3 times and had to be corrected by the players. Her dealing omaha would scare me to death. Most of this praise is so unwarranted. If you didn't act in 3 seconds they thought you didn't know the action was one you even postflop. I'm trying to think and they are repeating the bet to me. Chill out, I'm deciding on a bet sizing which you only do about the first 1 hr 30 min bc after that playing flops/doing anything but shoving is borderline so shallow.

No enforcement of correct stacking of chips (eg lone 1k on bottom of stack of 100s). The list goes on and on. The hand I posted about earlier where I iso shoved, dealer (different than one that shipped wrong way three times) didn't hear me at first because her attention span was like 5 secs so I said All-in again. She said call. I was like no "all-in".

I don't know how you guys play there at all.
This is my experience everytime. Every tournament ive ever played in up there the floor man or dealer has made comments about us more or less wasting there time (ie. "you guys arent playing for a bracelet", "Wheres all the action you guys are acting so scared")

Only play there once a month-ish now that ive found a juicy home game missouri casinos are worst casinos.

Ill be up there at noon today for Razz and 7pm for NLHE/PLO ill post back with their limit structure. If it isnt terrible im gonna play the TD27 also.
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Old 05-29-2011, 12:24 PM   #27
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Re: Four States Poker Championship at Downstream

This is all very disappointing to hear. I was hoping my first live poker experince would be smooth. With all things said and considered, I will still be going to play a couple events and cash the rest of the time if not just to go play some poker. Hoping the "bigger" events will have a better structure such as the ME, PLO Champ, Bounty, and other events towards the end.

Thanks for the reports please keep them coming.
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Old 05-29-2011, 07:32 PM   #28
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Ugh, 15th pays 9, was surprised to see 56 people play in the razz event, the structure was not as bad as I expected, dealers didn't mess anything up except when they tried to push my pot to the worst hand. Gonna skip the nlhe/plo after 7 hours of razz and no cashing I'm done with poker for now.
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Old 05-29-2011, 08:02 PM   #29
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Sorry to hear about the loss. Good to hear that you had a good experience with the tournament as a whole though.
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:18 PM   #30
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Re: Four States Poker Championship at Downstream

Pretty much any DS tourney with under 10k chips to start, sucks. The "Fish and Chips" went well, but the levels started low and accelerated quickly--became an all-in fest. If you come, come for cash game...you won't be able to show much skill in the tournies.
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