Hi everyone,

Over the last month or two, we've been having a lot of conversations in the mod forum about some forum reorganization, across the site. Those who visit the cash strat forums may have noticed that there have been quite a few changes there already.

The idea behind the forum changes is to:

1) Reduce confusion for new visitors, and existing members - we have a LOT of forums, and it's likely quite intimidating to try and find where to post things sometimes.

2) Help breathe life into some of the threads in the quieter forums. When people visit a forum that only gets a post every now and then, they're not likely to stick around or visit again. If we merge some of the quieter forums together, and/or in with busier ones, the increased traffic should encourage more participation. And when we merge related forums together, you will sometimes have people contributing to threads that they might not have before, because they were in a different forum that they weren't aware of/didn't bother with.


With those goals in mind, I think we have some moderator consensus on these changes to the Tournament forums:

Merge MS & HS MTT
MTTSNG - 18 Man to STT (I believe this may already be happening to some extent), everything else back into SS MTT, from whence it once came.

And then there is MTTc and MTTc - Live. There's been a little discussion of a merge, but there are concerns that may not work well. Another thought is to keep them as they are, and move MTTc - Live into a new "Live Poker" category we're considering for Home Poker, LCP, and its subforums. That really doesn't change much other than where it appears on the sidebar and in the forum list. But perhaps it's better where it is. Either way, a renaming of some sort is probably in order.

We welcome any and all feedback. I'd like to move forward on the first couple of changes by the weekend or next week, but if there appears to be some serious issues, it can always be delayed. If we make any MTTc changes, it would probably be a little later.

No comments on this post so far doesn't bode well . If I were to ask for MTT-c Live to be moved anywhere I would say underneath Live Casino Poker as a third sub-forum with Poker Venues and Regional Communities, with some re-branding for the name.

I understand wanting to change things. I'm not a heavy user, but I basically never look in a forum besides MTTC Live. If I had to ballpark it I'd say MTTC Live (85%), NVG (5%), High Stakes MTT (5%), Midstakes MTT (5%). I visit the forums probably once a day 4 times a week. I occasionally surf other forums but pretty rare.

That said, I'm not sure moving this forum would help much. It makes more sense in the tournament section than the live section imo.

But considering how different live and online can be (threads about hands in High Stakes and Midstakes MTTs can be night and day different when it's an online vs live hand), I'd prefer to see them divided. I suppose that would make for even more subforums, but maybe it could be as simple as Live MTT hands and Online MTT hands if you retain the tournament section with subforums. Or if you don't, then perhaps MTTc Live and Live MTT hands could be included with brick and mortar, live cash, etc, and there could be a parallel section for the online equivalents.

I like the idea of a live poker forum and with the sub forums


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Has there been discussion of merging High Stakes and Midstakes MTT, then splitting that into live and online? As a live cash game player who is trying to branch out into more tournaments, I find a forum with a mix of live and online threads a bit daunting, especially if thread titles don't make it clear which one a thread is about.

Are there technical reasons for why a forum can't be listed in multiple categories? I know that you want to clean things up, but maybe people looking for something that belongs in MTTc - Live might be more likely to find it if it is listed under both a Tournament category and a new Live Poker category.

Online and live poker are so different that it never made sense to me to mix them in the same forum. I think there should be two live NLHE tournament forums breaking at the $500 buy-in mark. Online poker should be separate IMO. I think this would encourage more participation in live tournament poker forums. I like the idea of having all the live poker forums together, too. Most people in the US that are serious players are interested in live poker, not online IMO.

I think this is a really good point. I am not a fan of online and live discussions taking place in the same forum. Totally different games

Yeah, agree.

LIVE POKER
- Live Poker Venues
- Live Poker Discussion (current B&M)
- Live Tournament Information (current MTTc Live)
- Live Tournament Strategy - $500+ (or $1000+)
- Live Tournament Strategy - sub-$500 (or sub-$1000)

None whatsoever, and it hasn't come up in any of these threads in the other affected forums. Of course, the concentration of live players is going to be much lower in those forums, so that could be part of the reason it hasn't come up.

After seeing the first post in here about splitting live, I brought it back to the mod forum thread about this, and got this feedback from one mod:

That's not to say it couldn't be considered; just letting you know the feedback thus far.

Also, it's possible that we go ahead with the discussed changes, and then look at a split of live at a future date if the traffic warrants it. In other words, even if we don't split live now, it doesn't mean we couldn't still do it down the road.

Absolutely none, and that's something that's been contemplated in discussions about other forums. It might make a lot of sense to use these in a number of different situations, including the one you suggest.

The reasons you posted were to reduce confusion and to encourage discussion. Reducing clutter may help with making the forum confusing, but not necessarily. Even if there isn't enough traffic to currently justify separating forums for live and online tournaments, you have to consider whether splitting them would create additional traffic to justify the split. Did creating a live low stakes NL forum have a positive effect?

It's probably worth asking actual posters. I'll try to start reading tournament strat forums more to get a sense of how it flows.

For sure, there could be a "build it and they will come" phenomenon. I wouldn't want to rely on that and nothing more, but it's a factor to consider.

Probably, but that was almost 7 years ago, so we don't really have a lot of data on that, and it was a different time. But as mentioned above, I agree that there is the possibility of a positive effect, for sure.

That's why I've created these threads.

Just to add to this, I've gone ahead with the changes that had pretty solid consensus:

Once everyone can see what Mid-High Stakes MTT (and SS MTT) looks like with the changes, perhaps more thought can be given to whether a Live forum would make sense.

Hi Bobo,

I rarely post in this forum but I read to see what the vibe is surrounding tournament events at the various stops. Then I visit LCP/PV to get more of the local flavor, and the various tournament series are often discussed in each venue's thread there too. (And further, if that venue is in Vegas, it may get discussion in LVL!)

From a strictly personal perspective, having those two sources combined into one forum would be helpful.

I do realize that I'm describing a problem without offering a solution. I also realize my "problem" (which is minor stuff anyway) may be unique. Just sharing feedback.

OK, as mentioned, the strat forum changes went ahead a while ago, and I think they've gone pretty well. If there was to be any discussion of separation into live/online forums, that discussion would belong within the strat forum(s) in question.

I'm pretty sure we'll be moving this forum under a new Live Poker (name still being decided) category. Since there's already a good discussion going in LCP about the changes we're looking at, including ones to this forum, it's probably best to have any further discussion over there:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...dered-1683346/

As some of you may have noticed, this forum now has a new name, and the really observant may have noticed it also has a new home.

MTTc-Live has been renamed to Tournament Events. We've also created a new "Live Poker" heading, and moved this forum there along with Home Poker and Live Casino Poker - now called Casino & Cardroom Poker.

The hope is that the name for this forum will be much easier for newcomers to understand. I'm sure many scratched their heads at (or more likely skipped over) MTTc-Live. Also, by moving this out of the Tournament Strategy section and into Live Poker, as well as including some links to the strat forums, we hope to reduce the number of strategy threads that get mistakenly started in this forum.

Now when I say this forum has been moved, nothing has changed in terms of the URL; it's just within the forum structure that this has happened.

Changes on the sidebar will happen within the next week or two.

While this change is now done, if you see any real problems with the different changes made across the forums, please let us know.