The elephant in the room - low turnout for main event - Page 2 - WSOP and Tournament Circut

The main event is really long. Eliminating one of the off days would help. But don't think there is the space at rio for it. Only alternative idea is using more than one casino (like planet Hollywood could host a day 1/2). But don't know if that's possible.

If your only playing the main and have a job you need to take off 10 days for the main event. I guess it's only really possible to cut out one day. They could also move to playing 6 levels a day but that would mean every day going til 2:30 am which is not really fair for certain players.

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07-15-2015 , 06:50 AM

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rolledup222

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Originally Posted by CanadaPete

They fit over 4k starting flights in colossus. Pretty sure they will be ok with 3.2k starting flights. The day 1a had a little over 400 starting which is essentially nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if it keeps dropping.

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07-15-2015 , 01:37 PM

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CanadaPete

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Originally Posted by rolledup222

Day 2 is the problem...they are not sure they will have enough space so they have to have a day 2ab and a 2c that adds an off day. Not much they can do unless they add even more tables somewhere.

It actually really does not matter how many people play day 1a as long as they are not turning people away on 1c. Turnout will still be the same.

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07-15-2015 , 04:32 PM

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11t

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More satellites earlier in the series imo

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07-15-2015 , 05:06 PM

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rolledup222

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3 50 seat guarantees satellites first weekend?
Or every weekend?

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07-15-2015 , 05:32 PM

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11t

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Dunno but doing them right before the main kind of hurts imo

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07-16-2015 , 11:01 AM

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PokerXanadu

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Two things the WSOP could do to improve attendance:

Accept IRS Form 5754 from players to split the payouts and tax reporting between the player and his backers. (They are supposed to, but don't. Could be an administrative nightmare for them, but they should do it at least for 25K+ payouts.)

Provide service to foreign players from countries with a tax treaty for gambling winnings to issue a U.S. Taxpayer Identification Number and fill out the IRS Form W-8BEN to claim such treaty benefits and avoid tax withholding on winnings at the time of payout. (Many casinos do this for their patrons.)

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07-16-2015 , 04:59 PM

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CanadaPete

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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

Probably would attract 50 online pros who we don't need anyway lol.

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07-16-2015 , 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaPete

Probably would attract 50 online pros who we don't need anyway lol.

I think you underestimate the effect.

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07-16-2015 , 09:29 PM

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11t

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Face palming hard over here

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07-16-2015 , 10:42 PM

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Boiler_bd

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Originally Posted by CanadaPete

Staggered 10am and 6pm day 2 flights please!

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07-17-2015 , 12:05 PM

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Most players are rec's, not pros. Play a day (1B), off a day, play a day (2AB), off a day, play until you cash is a great experience.

A far more interesting analysis would be the total number and % of first time WSOP ME players over the past 10 years . . .

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07-17-2015 , 08:41 PM

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CanadaPete

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Originally Posted by Beachman42

Some Rec players who want to play the main have jobs and they don't necessarily want to take 10 days off to go to Vegas in the summer. So that could be a benefit of figuring out how to trim a day or two. You probably know nothing about having a high paying job, lol.

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07-22-2015 , 12:57 AM

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99% don't need to take 10 days off. most could do the trip in 3/4 days if you fly in on 1b and play 1c. extra days are a bonus if you go deep.

the way the main is set up is fine and i don't think they had a low turnout. basically everything i heard was that people liked paying 1,000 people with 7.6M still being a good first place prize

the only gripe i have with the Main Event is the first 6 hours of play are without ante. there are no tournaments anymore that have the 150-300 no ante level. ideal is 50/100, 75/150, 100/200 25a, 150/300 25a, 200/400 50a day 1.

this thread is dumb IMO

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07-22-2015 , 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gostatego

Thread is dumb, just as you are dumb.

Just because you do not play 10 days does not mean you did not have to take them off in advance...most jobs you don't pick your own schedule so you might not just be able to take off extra days without knowing in advance.

Hence, I think they would get a small increase in attendance if they found a way to shorten the main event a day or two. People who have been in Las Vegas all summer would like it also.

I think the structure is fine they play three anteless just like the other events just slightly higher to make up for more starting chips.

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07-23-2015 , 11:13 PM

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I think the ME numbers are fairly stable, so there's probably not a whole lot to worry about in the near-term, if I'm the WSOP. However, one thing to keep an eye on is the fact that the numbers were a bit down this year, even though they had a full year of online qualification activity in Nevada and New Jersey. That tells me the number of people willing to pony up a full $10K on what has become a less special event is trending down. I doubt we will see a precipitous drop any time soon, but the long-term future is certainly a little murky.

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07-24-2015 , 12:54 AM

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kutty2

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Originally Posted by Boiler_bd

Main should be:

1A Thursday
1B Friday
2 Saturday
3 Sunday (money bubble)
4 Monday
5 Tuesday
6 Wednesday
7 Thursday (play to 9)

Possibly offer $50 dinner voucher or other incentive to Thursday entries to even out fields. This is in addition to points they put on card.

Possibly move day 1 levels to 90 minutes to ensure manageable day 2 field, or 4 90s pre dinner and 2 120s after dinner. Can also stagger the day 2 start times, even do like 3 120s day 2 with 1B playing at 10am and 2B starting at 5pm so they don't overlap.

This schedule would be far more convenient to average Joe to play and much more time efficient for all.

I'm personally not a fan of staggering day 2, but this is a great post nonetheless

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07-24-2015 , 05:41 AM

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rolledup222

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Originally Posted by akashenk

They ran very few satellites on WSOP NJ compared to last year.

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