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03-24-2015 , 06:07 PM

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I'm saying the WSOP Extended Levels is an insanely good structure.

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03-24-2015 , 06:12 PM

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id do the calculations using your formula..im just not exactly sure how to do it

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03-24-2015 , 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DoGGz

I'm saying the WSOP Extended Levels is an insanely good structure.

haha im a little clueless i dont even know what extended levels are. the way you capitalize it throws me off even more

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03-24-2015 , 06:15 PM

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It is an event on the 4th weekend of the WSOP.

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03-24-2015 , 06:20 PM

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oh yeah i see it now. yeah but if you compare that to http://www.theborgata.com/assets/PDF...n-event-08.pdf im sure its not too much different.

yeah my big thing is i need to find a good formula for analyzing structures to tournaments. guess i gotta search for that / look into yours

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03-24-2015 , 06:32 PM

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also im not sure patience factor is that bad. yeah it takes starting stack into consideration, but the whole point is to figure out when you will be blinded off and how quick you have to play and make chips to stay alive. so while it certaintly takes into account starting stack its also measuring that against how quickly the levels are moving.

but then, as you say, you also want to know how the tourns will play out. this is true. so this needs to be considered as well

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03-24-2015 , 06:42 PM

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How quick you need to play from the word Go isn't what is really important. What is important is how the entire tournament plays. You could start with a million chips and not even need to show up for day 1, but if during day 2 the levels moved up every hand and you ended up all in blind then who cares?

In reality no event is quite that good or quite that bad, but there is a big difference. How deep you start is a small consideration, not a large one.

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03-24-2015 , 06:55 PM

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true, that makes sense thanks. any chance you can explain how to calculate using your formula?

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03-24-2015 , 09:57 PM

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Like all tourneys that have relatively fewer starting chips, you have less room for error or bad luck early. My personal opinion is, I prefer a tourney which may be a little faster, but provides enough chips to withstand some early variance. If I were forced to choose between the two, I would probably choose to go up against 6000+ adversaries in the Borgata 560 than 10000+ adversaries in the Colossus. Fortunately, I am not forced to make such a decision.

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03-24-2015 , 10:02 PM

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Back when I first developed it I just did it with a spreadsheet. But here is a more elegant formulation

M is how much it costs for an orbit of folding so blinds + ante * 9

s = M when antes start
e = M when estimated money bubble pops. I set this to 10% of the field @ 10M as a reasonable guideline. So it would end up being Starting stack * 10 / 10 or just when starting stack = M
t = time in hours getting from s to e
DTF = your formulatic number.

So

s * (DTF) ^ t = e

I can do more later

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03-24-2015 , 10:20 PM

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i like it a lot. thanks its really helpful

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03-25-2015 , 04:34 PM

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The extended play (event 42) is great for people that want structure. You are getting main event-ish structure at a great price. 90 minute level is no joke. Too bad there seem to be little buzz over this. Not many people is taking about this great event.Plan to play this and colossus

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03-28-2015 , 02:24 AM

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lets not forget that the WSOP up until this year skipped 500bb and 5kbb and also had less starting stack. I am of the opinion that those 1500 and 1ks were very poor structures. This year though seems to have improved quite a bit.

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03-29-2015 , 03:53 AM

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more cash games if you bust the wsop then if you bust at the borgata.

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03-29-2015 , 08:17 AM

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cash games at borgata during the opens are great. how many tables do you need

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03-29-2015 , 04:36 PM

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cash games at borgata during the opens are great. how many tables do you need

This, plus the cheating in cash at the WSOP has been out of controi for a while.

Edit: I'm sure there is shady carp going on at Borg, but the WSOP are all sorts of gross

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03-29-2015 , 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by King_of_NYC

This, plus the cheating in cash at the WSOP has been out of controi for a while.

Edit: I'm sure there is shady carp going on at Borg, but the WSOP are all sorts of gross

What sort of cheating at wsop cash?

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03-29-2015 , 08:01 PM

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King_of_NYC

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Here's one thread after a quick search:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-wsop-1219323/

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04-20-2015 , 08:53 PM

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FYII

Borgata's Event 12 500+60 (april 26-28): 30k ss, levels 1-16=45min, levels 17+=60min

WSOP's Colossus 500+65: 5k ss(lol), day 1 levels =40min, day 2 levels =60min

only one additional (40min) blind level (an extra 100-200) in wsop, made up for and then some with borg's extra 5min through the first 16 levels.

in terms of structure value, borg ftw AINEC

http://www.theborgata.com/assets/PDF...n-event-01.pdf
http://www.wsop.com/2015/structuresh...-structure.pdf

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04-21-2015 , 12:21 AM

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WSOP Colossus is def not the 'I want to play the most hands' value tournament, but it could be the highest 'I make the most money for my time' tournament. Always things to consider.

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