Any info on yesterdays deep stack?

Yesterday I found out (a little too late) that there were discount WPT dinner vouchers for the buffet.

Where can we get them and how much is the discount ?

Headin down this weekend. Super excited for the $200k! I don't have a huge bankroll, but binking that would be nice.

Also, I second the mixed events occasionally coming around on weekends. Some people love those events, but can't get off for a Wednesday at noon type of event. It's no secret that those events are going to miss guarantees/not draw many players.

I think the vouchers are $10.00 and the floors usually have some.

And once again, work gets in the way at the last minute...so much for playing the Monday $500 Seniors. Instead, I will be in the office for probably 100 of the next 120 hours.

Think you get them from the floorpeople in the cash game area.

So this happened to me right before we were going to bag last night. I've never complained about anything in a tournament before and honestly have never even called floor before. But this was so crappy that I thought I should share. I just want to point out that I'm not claiming the floor necessarily did anything wrong, as it seems like there isn't much they could have done. The players are the ones I blame. It was just a really ****ty situation.

We are bagging after level 17. Had like 60k in small blind with 2400 blinds. Had 35. Mid position calls and I put in a raise to try and take it preflop. He calls. Flop jj5 with two clubs. I check. He bets, I jam. He tanks. During tank he clearly shows his cards to guy next to him. They then are talking during the tank. They aren't talking nonstop but they are talking. I can't hear what they are saying but it's obvious they are talking about hand. I didn't know what to do. Guess I should've called floor but I thought if I did that they'd know I wasn't wanting a call. At one point the guy who is not in the hand literally stares me down like he's in the hand. It was beyond ridiculous and I was clearly playing against two players. eventuall a call is made. He has A10 clubs and hits club to knock me out.

When he makes the call, I say whoa hold up he clearly showed him his hand and was talking with the guy mid tank. They can't do that. Dealer acts like he didn't see anything. Floor comes over (I think floor got there after turn and river were dealt). He says there isn't much he can do. I'm livid but don't want to cause a big scene. I quickly say what happened and said this is the most BS I've ever seen in a tourney. The guy who wasn't in the hand denies everything and even said he didn't see the cards, which is ridiculous because the player peeled back the cards to show him and he leaned over to view them. Another player at the table agrees he showed the cards but no one really admits they were talking. Honestly, they may not have seen them talking bc it was a long tank and everyone was pretty much watching tv or on their phones. I'm not sure how the dealer didn't see it. Anyways, I quickly leave. I probably should have stayed longer and explained everything clearly to floor but I realized there was nothing I could do.

I went back and talked to floor 15 mins later and clearly explained what happened. I told him I wasn't blaming him and that I wasn't saying he did anything wrong but I wanted him to know exactly what happened bc it clearly was collusion or at least a clear violation of the rules. I asked if the players were related. He was understanding and said I was in a tough situation. All he could say was that I should call the floor over immediately. I explained why I didn't want to do that. I then asked what would happen if I did call floor. Would hand be dead? He said no, they would likely just receive a warning or a penalty but hand would not be dead. So at thee next of the day, there is nothing that could have been done to stop what happened.

Oh and when I was talking to the floor the players dad comes up to me and says his son his kinda new to poker and that the players weren't related. that made it even more ridiculous.


I've honestly never really seen this happen before. Anyone have any thought about anything I could have done differently? Or is it just a ****ty situation that we have to deal with? To have that happen after playing 9 hours is infuriating. Luckily I won a lot at cash or I would probably be very tilted. It's just a $125 buyin but it's the principle of the matter that pisses me off so much.

Hopefully this means karma will be on my side for the $330 this weekend.

Yeah. Fold pre flop.

You don't exactly have the best stack size to be making a move with rags. Especially that close to bagging.

Also we have some showdown value so why are we check jamming flop as preflop aggressor?

I think you could have said "uh hey one player to a hand" without giving away that you were bluffing (?), he could theoretically be talking him into calling or into folding.

I agree with you. No reason to be gambling so close to bagging unless you have chips you can afford to lose.

Just concistently enforce the rules, whether it helps you or not, and you will do it so automatically that it won't betray your desired result.

that being said, they were never going to kill his hand, if the dealer did not see the cards flashed, all he would get was a warning, and at worse he would be forced to sit out a round, which would probably have not hurt him that close to bagging.

Based on the nature of the $125 (low buy in relative to big guarantee, huge fields) lends itself to a lot of newish and inexperienced players, so this kind of stuff happens (on the last hand before bagging, the big blind told the small blind 'we can just check it down'. After the hand, i told them to be careful, as this was collusion, and the big blind denied he said it. Didn't argue, didn't care as we were bagging anyways, but it is the kind of thing you can expect at this event).

Raising it pre from the SB with 53 to take it down is pretty bad in virtually all circumstances. You deserve to get knocked out for that. The check shove on the flop was terrible as well. You deserve to get knocked out for that. Your decision not to address the issue right away rather than waiting until the player made the decision that you did not like was also terrible. You deserve to get knocked out for that.

Aside from that, you don't even know what the players talked about. I mostly play cash games but players like to show me hands all the time. I may talk to them, but always avoid influencing their decision. One thing I often tell them is that I can't help them with their decision. How do you know the other guy didn't tell him that? You don't.

What I find most funny is that you expect someone with the nut flush draw to bet fold that flop. The chances of him folding there are zero to none (as such any potential collusion is insignificant). If he knew how you played then he should snap call because you have so many flush draws in your range in this spot in which case he is 80% to win. As it stands, you shoveled in all your chips with a made hand that was an underdog to his Ace high.

I was a table over from you when this happened. The fact that nobody (other players or the dealer) came to your defense didn't help. Crappy situation but not sure what floor can do when nobody came to your defense

Chip leader in day 2 of the 200k guaranteed has 550k, that's pretty sick

171 cash out of 299 returning, 48,202 for 1st, 348.00 to cash

Yes I knew that the floor wouldn't be able to do anything. That's why I wasn't blaming the floor for anything. And I didn't stick around long enough to try and get other players to come to my defense. I probably should have but didn't think it would accomplish anything. And apparently even if the whole table came to my defense the floor still wouldn't be able to do anything that would have helped me. The other players did say they saw the player show his cards but no one was paying close enough attention to realize everything that was going on. It's not like they were watching them throughout the entire tank.

I guess it's just Just a ****ty situation that can't be prevented if two players do that.

Your whole post is ridiculous. I'm not asking for a strategy lesson. And obviously he should have snap called. If I knew he had a flush draw I wouldn't have pushed. I was shocked when he turned his hand over bc I didn't understand what he was tanking for. But he wasn't an experienced player. I shouldn't have even posted our hands bc I realize ppl are just going to criticize my play. The fact that he was so close to folding the nut flish draw shows that shoves in that spot against that player can be profitable.

Yea I think this is what I should have done. Should have just immediately brought it to dealer's attention when it started in a way that didn't give anything away. as it happened I didn't really care that he showed his hand. I see that all the time, and never care bc they don't discuss anything. When they started talking I was thrown for a loop. So I guess I just need to say something to dealer when the hand is shown to another player.

ROFL! Post of the day!

Ya think? It's funny that you are completely oblivious to how shady it makes you look to wait to bring this up after the player makes his decision. I'm surprised you didn't wait until after he knocked you out....actually if you called the floor for this before the turn/river wouldn't they have stopped the action? Regardless, you'll need to find a new angle that will help you advance in tournaments without winning hands.

wow some of you guys are real clowns. this is *not* a strategy thread, nor was his post a question about poker strategy....

i agree with the general sentiments though. i highly doubt it was collusion in the way that you attempted to describe it. i've been in many a tournament where the guy next to me just enjoyed sharing his "sweats" with me because well, it makes it fun.

also fwiw, i think the guy that didn't have a hand is more accountable in this spot than your opponent. if someone leans over to me and says hey bro what should I do with my hand...its my responsibility as a fellow player to respect the game by NOT giving him any advice that would influence his decision.

but in summary, I think you are being a bit paranoid and just fyi it could look a little scummy if you continued griping about it, particularly if the player truly was new/inexperienced.

How were the cash games this past weekend? Any out of the ordinary games or high limits being played?

I didn't play there but on Bravo I noticed a big Triple Draw game..like 200/400 I think. Also noticed two 2/5/T PLO games and a smaller Omaha High/Low game. In terms of No limit I saw lots of 1/2 games, six 2/5 games, and nothing bigger than 2/5. I heard they had 9 names on the 5/T list but when they called it down there were only 3 players. This is pretty consistent with other big tournaments. If you want to play Omaha or some variant then Choctaw is the place to go. If you want to play midstakes NL then Winstar is the place to go. If you want to play low stakes NL then both Winstar and Choctaw will have plenty of games.

I would generally agree with your sentiments. If it was just a guy showing cards and letting his friend sweat the hand, I would not have cared at all. I think I even mentioned that in my first post. But that's not what this was. The player not in the hand was literally staring me down like he was in the WSOP main event, as well as talking with the other player.


And I agree that the player not in the hand is more to blame, especially if the player in the hand is new/inexperienced. He didn't seem new/inexperienced at the time, but his dad told me he was after the fact.

I know no one knows me on here, so it just sounds like sour grapes. But I have literally never called the floor for any matter in a tournament or in cash games in 10+ years of playing. So I'm not someone who just complains for no reason because they get knocked out.

Anyways, nothing that can be done about it now, so we can just drop it now. Dream Crusher can hopefully take a breath and not have a heart attack from his vicious responses. Sorry for the thread derail. Good luck to everyone in the upcoming tournies.

The chip lead was at my table and stacked 4 players in the first hour, including me for my 200k stack. I'm still so sick about it. He was aggressively bullying the table with his stack and shoving all in on everyone Everytime. I though I had him beat and was gonna get a double up. Just uggh!

Who was the chipleader? Was he a slender, older gentleman?

I came to Day 2 with about 200k in chips.

He was an old, short, medium build Hispanic man. I played all day Saturday against him and he played complete trash the entire day and suck out on so many people. It was just unbelievable. I thought for sure he would lose his stack quickly on day two, but he came in being super aggressive and shoving almost every hand.