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Originally Posted by mavsfan4ever
So this happened to me right before we were going to bag last night. I've never complained about anything in a tournament before and honestly have never even called floor before. But this was so crappy that I thought I should share. I just want to point out that I'm not claiming the floor necessarily did anything wrong, as it seems like there isn't much they could have done. The players are the ones I blame. It was just a really ****ty situation.
We are bagging after level 17. Had like 60k in small blind with 2400 blinds. Had 35. Mid position calls and I put in a raise to try and take it preflop. He calls. Flop jj5 with two clubs. I check. He bets, I jam. He tanks. During tank he clearly shows his cards to guy next to him. They then are talking during the tank. They aren't talking nonstop but they are talking. I can't hear what they are saying but it's obvious they are talking about hand. I didn't know what to do. Guess I should've called floor but I thought if I did that they'd know I wasn't wanting a call. At one point the guy who is not in the hand literally stares me down like he's in the hand. It was beyond ridiculous and I was clearly playing against two players. eventuall a call is made. He has A10 clubs and hits club to knock me out.
When he makes the call, I say whoa hold up he clearly showed him his hand and was talking with the guy mid tank. They can't do that. Dealer acts like he didn't see anything. Floor comes over (I think floor got there after turn and river were dealt). He says there isn't much he can do. I'm livid but don't want to cause a big scene. I quickly say what happened and said this is the most BS I've ever seen in a tourney. The guy who wasn't in the hand denies everything and even said he didn't see the cards, which is ridiculous because the player peeled back the cards to show him and he leaned over to view them. Another player at the table agrees he showed the cards but no one really admits they were talking. Honestly, they may not have seen them talking bc it was a long tank and everyone was pretty much watching tv or on their phones. I'm not sure how the dealer didn't see it. Anyways, I quickly leave. I probably should have stayed longer and explained everything clearly to floor but I realized there was nothing I could do.
I went back and talked to floor 15 mins later and clearly explained what happened. I told him I wasn't blaming him and that I wasn't saying he did anything wrong but I wanted him to know exactly what happened bc it clearly was collusion or at least a clear violation of the rules. I asked if the players were related. He was understanding and said I was in a tough situation. All he could say was that I should call the floor over immediately. I explained why I didn't want to do that. I then asked what would happen if I did call floor. Would hand be dead? He said no, they would likely just receive a warning or a penalty but hand would not be dead. So at thee next of the day, there is nothing that could have been done to stop what happened.
Oh and when I was talking to the floor the players dad comes up to me and says his son his kinda new to poker and that the players weren't related. that made it even more ridiculous.
I've honestly never really seen this happen before. Anyone have any thought about anything I could have done differently? Or is it just a ****ty situation that we have to deal with? To have that happen after playing 9 hours is infuriating. Luckily I won a lot at cash or I would probably be very tilted. It's just a $125 buyin but it's the principle of the matter that pisses me off so much.
Hopefully this means karma will be on my side for the $330 this weekend.
Just concistently enforce the rules, whether it helps you or not, and you will do it so automatically that it won't betray your desired result.
that being said, they were never going to kill his hand, if the dealer did not see the cards flashed, all he would get was a warning, and at worse he would be forced to sit out a round, which would probably have not hurt him that close to bagging.
Based on the nature of the $125 (low buy in relative to big guarantee, huge fields) lends itself to a lot of newish and inexperienced players, so this kind of stuff happens (on the last hand before bagging, the big blind told the small blind 'we can just check it down'. After the hand, i told them to be careful, as this was collusion, and the big blind denied he said it. Didn't argue, didn't care as we were bagging anyways, but it is the kind of thing you can expect at this event).