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10-20-2016 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Are the big televised cash games invite only?
Current info there will be one available seat and it will be awarded thru a tourney.
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10-20-2016 , 12:39 PM
Thanks for the information.

Here's a video from the last time they were here. They started at 6 handed and I know 2 of these players are locals, but no clue if they satellited in or not.



In this other video they started 7 handed and I know at least one of these players satellited in...guessing all the locals did

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10-21-2016 , 01:55 PM
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

if you haven't gotten a new Choctaw Rewards Card in the last month, you will need to get a new one before you register in any of the tournaments. Build that into your planning.
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10-21-2016 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tex_Shamrock
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

if you haven't gotten a new Choctaw Rewards Card in the last month, you will need to get a new one before you register in any of the tournaments. Build that into your planning.

Thanks for the heads up!!
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10-21-2016 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tex_Shamrock
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

if you haven't gotten a new Choctaw Rewards Card in the last month, you will need to get a new one before you register in any of the tournaments. Build that into your planning.
I used the old card to register in yesterday's noon tourney guess I got lucky but had to get a new card to get discount on buffet.
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10-21-2016 , 09:45 PM
Event #1 monster stack had 708 entries with a prize pool of $135,552 for 1st place, 1st place took home $31,176.00 Not a bad payday for a $240.00 tourney.
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10-21-2016 , 09:48 PM
The deep stack tournaments are never deeper and in later stages are much shorter than the regular 10k stack.

The final table had an average stack of 15bb at one point. Combine that with Choctaw does not facilitate chops and it is disappointing.

Please consider fixing next weekends $350 buying to be at least as deep as the $125 buyin this weekend.

Dauntlessone
Aka Carl
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10-23-2016 , 10:16 AM
Oh well crickets...

I have changed my mind and will not be playing in the $350 buyin next weekend. It appears to be the same structure as the $240 and that tournament played short in the middle and later stages.

Consider these statistics.

For the $125 buyin with a starting stack of 10k players will start day 2 with mean average stack size of 34.74 big blinds at level 17 - 400 1200 2400. As a side note the median average is 29.75bb

For the $240 buyin with a starting stack of 20k players started day 2 with a mean average stack size of 20.82 big blinds at level 17 - 1000 4000 8000. The median average was approx. 18.25bb

Both tournaments showed having 30 minute levels throughout and I believe both start day 2 at level 17 but please correct if it is different.

I am hoping that the January tournaments have a better structure for the deep stacks. The $125 in this series was a great structure and allowed for play throughout. The $240 was, in my opinion, short from the middle on and the blind jumps were brutal.

I would not mind someone double checking my math. And would like to know anyone else's thoughts.

Run good.
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10-23-2016 , 10:48 AM
couple of suggestions on the 125$ structure. Now that it starts with 10k instead of 8k like it has in the past I feel like the 50/75 level can be removed.

Basically nothing happens for that first hour and it moves the color up back one level causing the break to be pushed back too.

I would suggest removing the 50/75 level as well as the 709/1400 level. Seems like this will get us closer to the money on the end of day 1. And could possibly allow for 40min levels on day 2.

Great structure all in all just feels like the beginning is a super slow structure the. Day 2 is going to quickly become a shove fest
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10-23-2016 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by drumn4life0789
couple of suggestions on the 125$ structure. Now that it starts with 10k instead of 8k like it has in the past I feel like the 50/75 level can be removed.

Basically nothing happens for that first hour and it moves the color up back one level causing the break to be pushed back too.

I would suggest removing the 50/75 level as well as the 709/1400 level. Seems like this will get us closer to the money on the end of day 1. And could possibly allow for 40min levels on day 2.

Great structure all in all just feels like the beginning is a super slow structure the. Day 2 is going to quickly become a shove fest
I agree with removing the 50/75 level. It will also probably boost re entry numbers since players will have the 15 minute break to talk themselves into re entering Before level 9 starts.

Will be interesting if someone could share how day 2 plays out in the $125.
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10-23-2016 , 02:15 PM
Just busted around 180ish. Seemed decent lots of short stacks dropped quickly so avg stack hasn't dropped really low yet
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10-23-2016 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dauntlessone
I agree with removing the 50/75 level. It will also probably boost re entry numbers since players will have the 15 minute break to talk themselves into re entering Before level 9 starts.

Will be interesting if someone could share how day 2 plays out in the $125.
136 players remaining paying 90 prize pool $165,347 with $32,248 for first in the $125.00.
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10-24-2016 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bigtex21
136 players remaining paying 90 prize pool $165,347 with $32,248 for first in the $125.00.
Chad Smith took first for $32,348
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10-24-2016 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
because it is significantly better for events that feature lots of starting flights with unlimited re-entry.

In the one I played last series "paying 5%" actually resulted in paying about 12% of unique players. Paying 10% of entries would have paid 1/4 of the players in the field. That completely annihilates the prize pool. It also makes it impossible to have a reasonable mincash when the average player is in for 2.8 buyins but we pay 10% entries.
IMO they should pay everyone who makes it to day 2. You start the tourney on Thursday (Day1a), you make it through the day. You have to come back on Sunday? and still play a long way to the money. Makes me less likely to go play or to come up on Saturday instead.

WSOP this year went to paying MORE people not less.

Looks like the $300 buyin tournaments in January paid 10%. Anyone know when the policy changed?
January Results:
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tour...ircuit-choctaw
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10-24-2016 , 10:31 AM
The January re-entries aren't six flights with unlimited re-entry.

You can't pay everyone who makes Day 2 unless you play down to a low percent of the field. Winstar in their River event pays Day 2. But they play down to 10%. But then you have lots of gripers, because playing down to 10% means that you have some late Day 1s (one this year went to 3AM), and also then the Day 1s don't all play the same amount. Surely you see that you can't say "we're playing 15 levels and everyone who makes it is in the money". Boy I bet level 15 would see lots of hands, right?

WSOP did go to paying more, and it works well in single-entry events. In re-entry, not so much. See the hordes of people griping about the Daily Deepstacks where they finish in the top 80 of 2000 people and break even after re-entering once, etc. If you don't pay off of unique entrants, you end up crushing the prize pool. Then no one will fire multiple bullets. Who wants to fire 6 $365 bullets this weekend, and have to finish top 27 to break even so that 25% of unique entrants can get paid?

I'm driving up this weekend to play and would be much less likely to do so if they weren't modifying payouts. Definitely would not if they were paying 15% of all entries.

EDIT to add, the 4 flight $365 in January paid 10%. 4249 entries, you had to finish 297th to get 2x the buyin. You had to finish 90th or better to get 4x the buyin, or a break-even if you entered each flight. Now, I am fully of the mind that each entry is a new tournament, so you can't look at prior entries for "is this tourney profitable.". If I fired 3 bullets already, the question for my 4th bullet should be "do I expect to earn at least $366 by entering this tournament (or whatever hourly rate I need to make it worth it on top of the $365)", not "do I expect to earn at least $1460 by entering this tournament." BUT, you are going to turn lots of amateurs away if they are cashing in tournaments but still showing a loss for the weekend.

Last edited by Black Aces 518; 10-24-2016 at 10:46 AM.
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10-24-2016 , 05:03 PM
Ditto on Black aces comments with one thing to add.

The one way I could support paying 10% in these mega field low buy in tournaments would be to do it the way the Colossus did. Get well into the money for each flight and allow someone enter a subsequent flight if they cash but bust before end of the flight.

Edit:
Just realize this will require either longer day one flights or shorter structures with less play. Guess which one they will choose to employ...

Last edited by dauntlessone; 10-24-2016 at 05:05 PM. Reason: Added comment
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10-24-2016 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bigtex21
Chad Smith took first for $32,348
Was a fun tourney actually decent amount of play until he had 11/17mil with 5 left
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10-25-2016 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
The January re-entries aren't six flights with unlimited re-entry.

January tourneys you could re-enter but not the same flight if I remember correctly. If I'm wrong correct me.

They had nice fields and nice payouts.

Is it optimal strategy to just go up there and bomb-out, re-enter, etc?

It's a deep stack at the beginning (and not at the end as some have pointed out). Not bombing out 4 times isn't that difficult.

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BUT, you are going to turn lots of amateurs away if they are cashing in tournaments but still showing a loss for the weekend.
You think that will turn more of them away then having them not cash at all? Most amateurs arne't going to re-enter that many times.
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10-25-2016 , 07:24 AM
Amateurs aren't going to stop playing, the fields are massive in the WSOP tourneys
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10-25-2016 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jonpollard
Was a fun tourney actually decent amount of play until he had 11/17mil with 5 left
Congrats on 4th!
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10-25-2016 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by danielkomen
January tourneys you could re-enter but not the same flight if I remember correctly. If I'm wrong correct me.

They had nice fields and nice payouts.

Is it optimal strategy to just go up there and bomb-out, re-enter, etc?

It's a deep stack at the beginning (and not at the end as some have pointed out). Not bombing out 4 times isn't that difficult.



You think that will turn more of them away then having them not cash at all? Most amateurs arne't going to re-enter that many times.
This year WSOP is allowing re-enter in same flight .
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10-27-2016 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dauntlessone
Congrats on 4th!
Thanks, but I didn't win
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10-28-2016 , 09:26 AM
How many runners did they get for Thursday's flight of the 300k yesterday?
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10-28-2016 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Kipboggins
How many runners did they get for Thursday's flight of the 300k yesterday?
330 with 37 returning for Sunday merge of flights A,B,C,D, and F
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10-28-2016 , 10:19 AM
How many levels are the 300k flights playing?
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