People ask me why I prefer driving to flying, flying is too expensive since my wife drops me off at the airport and picks me up. But when picking me up she won't lower the wheelchair ramp until I put a number of $100 bills thru the slightly opened window.

I got the structure sheet today. I'll post it later tonight

It's 165$ plus 10$ dealer add on. They take 15 from pool so it's a 150+25
15k starting stacks

25/50
50/100
100/200
100/200/25
200/400/50
300/600/75
400/800/75
500/1000/100
600/1200/100
800/1600/200
1000/2000/300
2000/4000/500
3000/6000/500
4000/8000/1000
10000/20000/1000
More after this but that's beginning

I'll have to speak with Marvin. Breaks down significantly after 1/2 300 I know it is a $175 and the 15k in chips offers a lot of play early, but not having 12/24 or at least a 15/30 is just flat awful.

ya also the first 100/200 should just be 75/150 so it goes 25/50, 50/100, 7/`50, 100/200/25

1k/2k, 2k/4k, then 3k/6k? LOL

Stein? "The tiering of the levels includes all necessary levels and does not skip critical levels later in the tourney. "

The endgame looks pretty brutal. I know it is a 175, and has to end at some point, but it's soooo much better to start with 5k and have all the levels, than to start with 15k and go from 1k/2k to 2/4 and from 4/8 to 10/20????

I was going by what I was told, and as I said in my post, the late jumps are awful. BUT, this still kicks the **** out of the Winstar $220 structure. So if we are going to compare local games with comparable price points, well, there is no comparison.

Winstar goes from 300/600 to 5k/1k and then right to 1k/2k. It starts with 5k in chips and only has 20 min levels. I'll still take 15k, 30 min levels a 400/800, a 6/12 and an 8/16.

oooops sorry, I tarded out and didn't see you had replied after the structure was posted. was hoping the person you had talked to might be able to smooth it out a bit or something. all apologies.

Sorry. Pretty sure there is a 5k/10k level

The structure for this new weekly game is almost identical to the WSOP-C $235 buy in that played at 4:00pm most days of the series and very close to the WSOP deepstack being played daily at 2:00pm during the series. Looks like Choctaw gives us a 500/1000 level that you don't get at the WSOP events and if there is a 5000/10000 this is another level you don't get with the WSOP structure. If they would add the 1500/3000 that would add some more play. We are going to get T15000 chips versus only T5000. This should help with the play as the tournament gets into the latter stages.

If we get out and support the game we'll have a much better shot at getting changes and more games like this one or even better ones. They're trying to deliver a better product, it's a great room and a great staff and they're trying. My plan is to be there on the 2nd to play it. Hope to see all of you there as well.

I agree. Just a bit of an education from a td Knowledge...If you add more chips to a tournament...You have to add more levels. Sounds funny. Here is the reason why... If you add a bunch of chips to a tournament, and do not increase the number of levels, players will not bust out. This creates too many players in the mid to late rounds. This is when you see the final table at 10X the big blind. The best tournaments to play are not necessarily the deepstack tournaments. Unless the deepstack tournaments have plenty of added levels and extra time as the tournament progresses. Remember My ole saying...You gotta bust the players out...to have a winner. Now you can do that 2 ways. 1) Have the blinds get big enough that the Blinds will bust the player out. 2) Give the player plenty of time and opportunity to play bad and make mistakes. Neither of these nec.mean you have to give the players too many chips. The bottom line is Deepstacks may have ruined poker. I remember giving players $800 in Chips and 1 hour Levels. The tnmt lasted 2 days and was very structure friendly. The problem is that there are many more unknowledgable players than Knowledgable ones. All they see is Wow 15 or 20 k in starting chips...Man this structure is great. So as long as there are more bad or recreational players than pros, we have to keep giving more chips and overall worse structure to make it look good. If I advertised $3,000 in starting chips and had a tremendous structure, no one would come.

Im through educating my competitors.....

This being said I do think the structure at the end is not too good. I will suggest to add a couple of levels. But it is a monthly tnmt that does not need to last 2 days. Remember, that all structures are the same for all of the players.. Making adjustments to the way you play may be the answer to you succeeding....Just saying...

I'd play in any of your tourneys because I know you will give the player the most play for his money and I do remember some of your old tourneys. Give me a good structure any day over starting chips. It doesn't do any good to go deep and it turn into a shovefest.

Jimmy, I hear a little Matt Savage in this, say it isn't so! Kidding. You are dead on with your post. Structural value comes from 3 key areas. Starting chip stack, length of levels and tiering of levels. All 3 of these have to work in unison for it to be a "great structure". Most "deep stack" tournaments have pulled the wool over the novice player. "Here, we are starting 300 bigs deep", but the levels are 30 minutes long and the blinds double every level. The WSOP-C structures zeroed in on all 3 key ingredients and truly was a great structure, (except for the main event. Some changes would help there). Another room that simply has this down is the Borgata. When they run one of their quarterly deep stacks, you will be hard pressed to find a better structure. Anyway, just 2 cents. I will play these Choctaw games in August when I get back from Vegas. I will just have to chirp at Marvin a little bit to get that 1500/3000 level added He is used to it, he won't mind.

Yes Jody I can hear you you talking to Marvin now and Jimmy listen to Stein, Terry Todd, Chainsaw and the rest of us. Please change the WSOPC main event back to the one used in Council Bluffs that was a very good structure.

I don't care as much about not having the 150-300 level but later on you gotta add the 1200-2400, 1500-3000 and a 2500-5000 for the later stages at the very least.

The structure for the Saturday tourney is on the Choctaw website:

http://www.choctawcasinos.com/durant...ournament.aspx

see it seems so stupid to go 5/1, 6/12, 8/16, 10/20, 20/40 instead of 5/1, 7/14, 10/20, 15/30, 20/40. both get to 20/40 in same amt of time, but the latter is much more gradcual. sorry red bull vodak has me weheeeeeeeeeeeeeeehehehe

For July this tournament will be played the first 3 saturdays since there is 5 Saturdays.

Thanks for posting. The jumps after level 11 are pretty sick.

I have been reading the posts on this Saturday tournament. First i would like to thank you guys for your interest in the tournaments and our room, I have considered your suggestions and have decided to ADD 2 new levels to help increase the play through the middle rounds and the later rounds. I appreciate the input and hope to see you all join us on Saturdays for this new tournament.

25-50
50-100
100-200
100-200(25)
200-400(50)
300-600(75)
400-800(75)
500-1000(100)
600-1200(100)
800-1600(200)
1000-2000(300)
1500-3000(300)
2000-4000(500)
3000-6000(500)
4000-8000(1000)
6000-12000(1000)
8000-16000(2000)
10000-20000(3000)
15000-30000(3000)
20000-40000(5000)
30000-60000(5000)
40000-80000(10000)
60000-120000(10000)
80000-160000(20000)

Awesome news!!

Any chance of adding 5k10k? That would make it so awesome

I am looking forward to your input on helping this tournament grow, as of right now we will run the first Tournament with the updated blind levels and if at all possible i will add the suggested levels to the next Tournament. With support and suggestions of twoplustwo members, I would like to grow this Tournament into the largest weekly Tournament in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. Thanks again guys and any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Marvin! Can't wait to come up and play these!

Well done Marvin!