Ah I was backing Jose for this and didn't even know they denied Will the points he deserved. Confirmed ridiculous, but at least you ended up winning the $50k that was pretty much yours to win (don't mean to rip on Jose, he did a great job all series, but it really shouldn't have been that close if they just gave Will the points he deserved).

States right on the points rules pdf that the prize money will be paid out at the discretion of managment. So im not sure anything can be done

I'd say the feedback has been largely negative.
The aggressive enforcement and penalties of exposed cards in early rounds really turned off recreational players.
The payout based on unique players in day 1a + day 1b was an outside-the-box shift not well known before the tournament and, also, greatly confused the recreational player.
The cut-off times for registrations and late entrants were done by seat-of-the-pants.

Overall, pretty poor experience due, in large part, to TDs.

they should never change the rules mid-series. chicago floor was very stubborn and didnt care what the players thought.

The problem is that none of the others in the heads up event bubble were awarded points either. Are you saying that all of those plsyers in the third round should have been awarded points?

If so, why are you the only one complaining.

I believe Chris tryba lost out on the million dollar freeroll last year when he finished 9th at the ft of a wsopc ring event that paid 8 spots but was listed as awarding points to the ft.

Likely that none of the others that got 17th-32nd had as much riding on their points result as the OP.


Also, not sure what Tryba has to do with this matter... they are two different incidents, and "two wrongs don't make a right."

It was all players that lost in the 4th round that should have received points. As for why are the other players not complaining? I don't know any of the other 15 players that lost that round and I'm assuming that the ramifications for not being rewarded the points in all of their cases were insignificant. Meaning this points race was paid out to 1st place only, if William would not have won the other two events these 5 points would not have mattered.

I received confirmation tonight that William indeed would have won the points race should he have been awarded the 5 points. We are currently seeking out our legal options.

Ah, so you're saying the points contest is winner take all. That changes things considerably.

Can someone cut and paste the actual wording of the points description of the heads up event

Heads Up
Placement Points
1 25
2 21
3-4 17
5-8 13
9-16 9
17-32 5


Compared to the other points awarded saying:
Regular Events:
1 25
2 21
3 18
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Cash 2

Turbo Events:
1 12.5
2 10.5
3 9
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Cash 1



They made it very clear.

+1, TDs seem like jerks and is confirmed when they accuse him of trying to angleshoot. They know they are in the wrong and try to bully someone into leaving the situation alone. Good luck to getting what's yours.

I think they were assuming more entries into the heads up and thus that 32 would be paid.

I've never heard of a points race where not cashing still counts. It'd be too hard to track.

It looks like their documentation is weak, but still a leap to assume people get points without even cashing.

Welllll.... Nobody got close in points... Nearest is 38.5. I have 42.5. There were more than 20 people who COULD have overtaken me... The td 'bobby' is great... Steve Fraser who yelled all the insults did not even have the good manners to apologize...

They asked why I didn't challenge this earlier, and I said 'because I could not even imagine that what is written there could be false'. Printed official documentation... I thought they had just made a bozo clerical error which I would rectify if material... When it became material I walked over and said, sorry you guys have goofed here, I came 32nd in HU... To which they said 'but you didn't cash" I said so what and that is when they said 'you also have to cash'. So I'm like WTF you tell me 1 day before the end of a 14 day series that I'm tied for second rather than way in front?

They awarded the 50k to Ryan leng, and I politely said there was going to be a huge mess in the press and the courts... And they shrugged....

Pity I wish someone had put a game together and overtaken me. I'd say gg and move on knowing that I'd lost fairly... Truly I wish this were otherwise, but now I see no option but to use everything at my disposal to get justice done...


We need probably to talk to CR, Bluff and a few others... I think the court of public opinion will matter. I must say 100% of players have said dude the dough is rightfully yours... Even people who think I'm an *******, and there are very few of those.

Lawyer contacts and press contacts needed.

I was absolutely astonished and went through the roof when told 1 day from the end.... Maybe I'm naive, but why should I doubt what is written down? Should players really have to double check written material 'say it says you pay 32 places and 25 for first, are you sure it isn't 16 places and 20 for first....

I think the 'we announced it' is a post hoc outright lie....a) I was in that room like always, and b) I think I would have noticed if someone said, hey we've changed what it says on the sheets and yourre 5 points poorer.... Come on, let's not compound this with lies CPC...

So They ducked over Sir Real Beats also.... Jeeeeeeeesus... They'vee had this problem before.... What a cluster&@&£....

Steve fraser... Never in my life have I been insulted like that. Never. If he were outside, the Irish alky would have knocked him out cold....He thought I guess that I'd spied a loophole... And was pulling a fast one... How the **** am I supposed to know... I played my first live tournament at 2009 WSOP... Of course had I known they always screw this up I would have checked. And REALLY did it never occur to them to repost the point allocations when the heads up didn't fill.... Crazy.

Hey guys thanks for all the support. And please call me paul, Pauli, or gibbo. (or an invective if needed). William is a result of a fight with mom that my dad lost the day i was born...

Wow. Not liking the direction this is going. Best of luck, Paul.

It sucks, but I never for a second thought that 17-32 would get points. I think they are making the right call, but it is ridiculous that you were yelled at and called names.

dont know how it isnt anything other than paul wins. just because the intent was different. written rules are what goes. paul should win and they should take note and make sure to alter it however they want to next year.

This sounds like a good lawsuit, I'm personally never going to go there....It is absurd that they won't honor this.

pay that man his money..

just another ****ty poker story

written rules are all we have to govern ourself..if you cant even type up what you want..thats your fault..its called proofreading.

Agree with Todd Terry, this looks like you have a good shot. Regardless of past structures, this was clearly posted as being different from other events potentially explaining a different point scoring system. Hope justice is served here, printing information that is false and potentially swings large sums of money shouldn't be allowed to go unpunished.

The more I think about this the more I side with Paul's side, considering that they promo'd this specific HU tournament pretty aggressively. The shoe gave seats away into the tournament 4x a day in random table draws/a high card drawing for half of February as well as adding a seat to the daily tournaments for the winners, and not to mention the additional $ thrown into the prizepool. In my mind, this just re-emphasizes the viewpoint that this tournament could have a unique point system to encourage additional participation, which is exactly what they published and it favors Paul.

Good luck Paul.

fyp

They list to 27 spots even though they stop at the bubble. All the actual winner needs is a top 27 that wasn't a cash and you don't have much of a case because he would of won anyway.