Thought I'd start an official thread now that the schedule is out.

Here's the official schedule announced today

Lol good luck avoiding Borgata Part 2 in Event 1.

And they got rid of 7game. Just a joke.

Hated the multientry last year, continue to hate it this year. The added money / promos make it almost necessarily to play but will probably just skip it.

Main Event changed to $1500. Meh.

Looks like Events #3-7 are one day events with about the sameish rake.

Wait, so does event 1 pay out $5k each time someone survives a 2nd Day 1, or just to the people who surrender the 2nd and 3rd most chips?

i need my magnifying glass to read that

Potentially coming out for the whole series and looking for a couple roomies. Found a good condo to rent nearby. LMK if you might be interested.

it's basically gotten worse every year

It pays each time you survive , then if your in the top 3 of surrendered chips you get either the $10k main seat or an extra $5k

It's such a joke they start the $250 multi flight tournament the same day as 1B of the main. Way to cut the player pool

This is seriously god awful again.

The 3rd biggest city in the country and we get 2 legit series per year, and one of them has to be this crap. A schedule released like a month before the series kicks off, with their marquee events being a tournament that is going to funnel a ton of money into the pockets of regs who can grind every day 1, and 2 marquee events that overlap.

This series was infinitely better 3-4 years ago when it had a 350/550/1k the first weekend then had the HU event mid-week, then the 3k main. Just go back to that please. I can't imagine rec players are more likely to come out to a tournament where they have to wade through 5 pages of fine print just to figure out how it operates.

Are there any structures for Event 1? Can you re-enter as many times as you want in each flight? Can you play both in one day? Do we know how many levels are going to be played?

I can seriously see a ton of the prize pool being chunked off if you're allowed to enter each flight multiple times. By the last level, the 5k prize incentivizes people who have already qualified to play it like a satellite tournament and I think the 5k prizes are way more likely to be given away than people think.

Last year they paid out 133 of the $3k bonuses over 6 day 1 flights.

It ended up being over 25% of the total distributed prize pool.


The way the sheet looks, I feel like there's still a chance that there is just $22k in prizes to multiple day 2 qualifiers. If they give away $5k to everybody that double qualifies there may be no prize pool left on day 2.

Event #1/#9 will pay 10% of the field, play down to 4% of the field and payout $5000/$3500 each time a player double qualifies.

Last year, was each day played down to around 10%-12% of the field? If that's the case, they should be taking out less from the prize pool this year, even with increasing the payout to 5k.

... each time a player double qualifies.

The reference to "each" implies multiple payouts are possible like last year, I think.


To play down to 4% each day, the structure is likely turbo-ish. Otherwise, each flight will last very long.

Was hoping try and double qualify on Friday but I guess it's not likely. Oh well, another way to screw the recreational players.

I don't see how that's going to undercut the main. People who would play the main aren't going decide to play the 250 instead. If they get knocked out of the main they can still play the 250.

too much rake, too much re-entry

not playing out of principle

so i guess it wasnt worth the wait

Speaking to a floor person who was telling me that it is only possible to dbl qualify three times based on the structure playing to 4% and that on day 2 they are backing up the blind levels to where the average stack will have 30 BBs to compensate for the dbl qual chips coming out of play.

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I won't be playing. The only tournament I would consider is event 2. Cause they will never get 1000 people for it. The schedule is really bad. No main, gotta be with my moms! Really disappointed. Waited a long time. I don't see why they always try do something real special to this. If they just did it like they did 2-3 years ago it'd be fine. They're trying to hard. Buncha one day tournaments and main on Mother's day.

Any word on the regular payout? Especially the ones finishing between 10% and 4%?

Chip surrender events are bad for poker. Check my thread on best stack forward in nvg for all the issues.

Also waiting until a few weeks prior to put out a schedule is absurd.

So many conflicts now. Borgata, wsopc philly and blackhawk to name a few.

Already made my plans thru end of may as I'm sure others have

It almost has to be dependent on the # of people that enter that flight. It would be way too much of a hassle to add it all up and pay it out later.

I don't think that the min cashes to the low middle payouts would be hard to standardize.

For everyone who thinks event #1 is a terrible deal for non-grinders that play every day, please read this!

Last year, it was a bad deal for rec players. The double qualify was paying out an average of $360 (.12 * 3000) per re-entry, while each re-entry only added $291 (entry minus rake), so a huge net loss for the non-double qualifying player.

This year the double qualify will pay out an average of $200 (.04 * 5000) and will add (I assume) $291 still, so a huge benefit to the non-double qualifying player.** In addition, the double qualifying player should still be happy, because they get to duke it out for 22k in added money available to only them on top of the 5k prize.

tl;dr: Event #1 is worth it for rec players even if you can only play a few of the heats, or even only 1.

** (I don't think the true benefit to the prizepool is +$91. Usually players that are attempting double qualifying are better than the average player in the field, and therefore, more likely to win. But still, it should be a benefit, because +$91 is a huge buffer to play with)

Yeah, the min cash could and should remain the same across heats, but there will probably be some variance as to how many people per payout level, how many payout levels total. Not sure about max payout (~5%). They could probably force that to be the same across heats, but I'd have to look at the math to see how that would affect everything else.