In a live tournament, could you have a push/fold chart or charts at the poker table, to consult while playing? Could you consult it during a hand? What about a little notebook that happens to have some push/fold info in it? I've heard of people keeping notes as they would online in a live game with a little notebook. I am particularly interested in how a TD would rule on this, not on what is actually right or wrong ethically or in the spirit of the game.

Guy at my table pulled out like 50+ page notebook of push / call ranges at the millionaire maker this year.. Called floor, they said they had never heard of it happening, called supervisor and they ruled it ok.

Ty for your reply unta. Do you know if they let him look at it during the hand? I recall hearing about a guy who said (paraphrasing) upon reaching HU at a WSOP bracelet event, "I was all ready to play HU with my charts."

At my home game, people like to refer to pushfoldcharts.com on their smartphones during hands even. In a casino tournament, that wouldn't be allowed due to the electronics during the hand rule, but using electronics to access charts seems otherwise reasonable if paper charts are allowed. Our rule at the home game though is charts only between hands, not during hands. When I play tournaments in the casino, I look at charts between hands, but I may get a laminated printed chart.

They seemed to have no problem with it even during a hand.

I'd be curious as to what would happen if the chart checking started to delay the action. Of course the clock rule would still apply but checking charts before each or even only some decisions could definitely slow the action substantially.

That was a bad ruling then IMO. It's comparable to asking someone on the rail what you should do.

I'd have no problem with someone referring to charts on paper or on their phone so long as they didn't have cards at the time, but what would be the point?

The point of looking between hands would be to prepare for the next hand. Let's say I have 8bb in the CO. I'll look at my chart before the hand starts to give me the shoving range for 8bb in the CO. I've done this in a live tournament, but ends up being more distracting than is helpful. I have the charts pretty well memorized anyways, but there are certain spots I don't always rememer (i.e. Is the push/fold line at J8s or J7s, small thing like that)

The only "electronics during the hand rule" is that texting or communication is not allowed.

TDA: WSOP:

Might be time to update the rules. I don't think live poker is meant to have HUD's in view. It slows the game just having damn phones on the table with texting, etc.

Yes but thy don't allow electronics during the hand at all to keep people from texting. How would you know if someone was looking at the charts or surfing the web or texting? You wouldn't, so no electronics during the hand. But at a home game where we don't enforce no electronics in hand rule, looking at a chart on your hone would w permitted if we did permit paper charts. But if we permit neither, then no phone charts.

Like I said, solve the problem with rule of NO electronics. I don't think moving away one table to be on the phone is right either. Just distracts/irritates players at other table. Make them go outside the ropes.

I don't know who "they" is, nor have I seen the purported "no electronics in hand" rule in writing at any venue at which I play. All of the venues at which I play allow players to watch video on their devices, for example. The WSOP, among possibly others, allows players to play online at wsop.com during live events. However, if a player having a hand has thumbs typing on the device, dealers will usually say something.

It is often posted in the house rules on the wall in many venues. Tournaments usually have it written somewhere and I know, for example, that it was discussed MANY times at WSOP that no electronics while in a hand. Announcements were also made at different times that one needed to step away from the table to take a call.

I can easily see a warning the first time, but repeat offenders CAN and SHOULD get penalties.

That being said, I agree with the earlier poster that the easiest thing is to simply ban players from using any wireless devices from the table.

lol... let them pull out a chart, then target them.

Can't find the fish? Look for dude with a chart at the table!

Short on specifics: "many", "somewhere", "discussed".

Stepping away to talk on a phone is universal in my experience. It's supposed to be at least a table length away, so players at another table are annoyed instead of those at the talker's table.

The question at hand is: where is there a "no electronics with a hand" rule?

This would be nearly impossible to enforce, and even if it were, it would seriously put a dent in the bottom line of an enterprise that is already operating at the margins of financial viability. Common sense rules about pace of place can be implemented and enforced without going to such lengths.

Yeah, fish like this guy....
http://www.espn.com/poker/story/_/id...ns-turbo-event
I heard it would fold around to him, he'd look at the chart, and say "okay guys I'm jamming X percent here." Ship the bracelet!