Ask NeilJ about EPT tournament details thread - Page 62 - WSOP and Tournament Circut

Hi Sinnerman,

For those types of questions please email Reg, they'll be able to answer everything correctly.

See you next week!

Cheers,

Neil
PokerStars Live Events Specialist

08-14-2016 , 10:02 PM

#1529

Sinnerman

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 105

Okay, out of your experience with EPT Barcelona, how likely is it that I can play Estrallas Main Event on the 19th, High roller on the 21th, and EPT on the 22nd. Given they all have 0 spots left and the alternate list is growing on all. I don't want to enter a tournament at the dinner break.

It's my first EPT, I didn't know about the reserve feature, your PSLive site is extremely unintuitive, I mean if I google PSLive I get all kinds of weird sites like http://www.globalpokertours.com/pslive/

I kind of feel cheated that you hide the seat availability in an app that I haven't seen you advertise anywhere. This should be communicated way more clearly. I could have planned my travel better.

08-14-2016 , 10:18 PM

#1530

PSLive Neil

self-banned

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,167

Hi Sinnerman,

Apologies that you haven't been aware of the EPT App, we have had it since 2012 so I guess we tend to take it for granted

As far as PSLive, that brand has evolved over the last two years so there could be some confusion over how to find it, apologies. You can find more info at the link David posted - https://www.myaccount.pslive.com/

ESPT ME - For the last two seasons, Barcelona 1C has sold out on 1B and run alternates. In 2015 it was tough and alternates went until after dinner break. Last year it wasn't as bad, but it still went a number of levels into the day. If you don't want to be an alternate and are arriving on Day 1B, I would suggest buying in in advance if you can.

ESPT HR - I honestly don't remember how deep the alternates went. It did have alternates, but not a ton as i recall. It shouldn't have been until dinner. Many of the people who read this thread were there and played it, if anyone remembers can you please chime in for Sinnerman?

EPTME - 1A didn't have alternates but 1B had some. The EPT didn't have as many as Estrellas, but they sit slower since players don't go bust in the EPT at the rate they do in the Estrellas.

For ESPT HR and EPT ME you'll be fine as you can buyin in cash once you arrive and you won't want to until or if/when you bust ESPT ME.

Cheers,

Neil
PokerStars Live Events Specialist

08-15-2016 , 09:22 PM

#1531

bodogari2ndaccount

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 226

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSLive Neil

Hi All,

Nation - 1518 - I agree and disagree

Moving to 6 max isn't a simple answer in my opinion. Even for something like our High Rollers we have had players say if we made it 6 max they wouldn't play. Changing the fundamentals of play midway through a major tournament, to a format that (realistically) favours the Pros over the Recreationals, is a pretty significant change. But I also agree that short-handed poker can be a lot of fun to watch on the stream. More action, more pots, more hands. So i'm a bit on the fence. Thanks for all your thoughts though, all the feedback goes into the review sections for our meetings.

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I strongly believe that going to 6 max for final 36 is very bad. If any changes in format are to be done- they certainly should be done in a fashion that increases the edge for better pros. Pokerstars already goes to 8 handed- no change needed imo

08-15-2016 , 11:02 PM

#1532

bodogari2ndaccount

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 226

shouldn't *

08-16-2016 , 02:04 PM

#1533

davidv1213

Vampy

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,473

Paying 20% sounds seriously awful. I can't imagine that anyone who actually plays these tournaments is on board with it other than perhaps some satellite winners playing way bigger than they can afford.
You're majorly playing down the effects on the rest of the payouts. Payout tables aren't published anywhere at the moment afaik but they need to be and you could have at least published a proper side by side % comparison instead of a couple of selective examples. I suspect 9th-18th will take a major hit which if anything is the range of places that are generally most in need of being paid more, not less.
In the end it's pretty transparent that this is just a way to try to rake some more of the money paid out one more time in another tournament. Noone is in these tournaments to win 1.1x their buyin. A huge % of players are going to hate this, never mind the fact that hs turbo and hyper rois will be further reduced towards the point where they're barely worth playing.

Doubt this can get changed any earlier than next year now but one thing you could change is that your examples pay 21.4% (47/220) and 21.5% (17/79). At the very least you could round these down instead of up and make 20% the absolute maximum paid out instead of pushing it even further.

08-16-2016 , 05:44 PM

#1534

mo3rtelmu

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,529

+1 to david, source?

its all about those random spingo qualifiers who can then invest aka rake their mincash in another mtt (preferebly hyper or turbo) and so on... 15% paid was already sufficient imho

08-16-2016 , 05:54 PM

#1535

Erebgil_bg

grinder

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 585

Quote:

The biggest change for EPT13 is the expansion of our payouts. We've focused a lot on making the live poker experience as positive and enjoyable as possible and that's included looking at the payout structure. For the last three seasons, the EPT has paid 15% of the field at our Live Events with a minimum cash of approximately 1.7x your buy-in.
For EPT13, we are expanding our payouts out to 20% of the field (non-EPT events will finish out their seasons with the existing structures). It isn't going to have the top-end impact that some people may think as we have decided that the min cash for all the players that we are adding between 15% and 20% will be between 1x-1.2x your buy-in. It's been something that we've been working on right down to the wire to make sure that the impact is overall a positive one for all players and also fits our goal of having more winners.
For example, 220 players bought into a €1,000 Hyper at Barcelona last year. The winner collected €45,134 and 31 players were paid out with 31st getting €1,878. This year, the winner would collect €38,028 but 47 players would be paid out with 47th getting €1,238. That same 31st player would get €1,921.
Another example is the €500 HORSE which had 79 runners. Rather than 11 players getting paid out between €958 and €10,537 we would pay 17 players out between €575 and €8,843.
It's a way to give a lot more players a second shot, while exerting only a negligible effect on prize pool distribution. It's a tough line to tread: giving more players a better experience while making sure that champs are well rewarded. Given the popularity of events that we're running we believe that this provides a better balance. We always listen to feedback and try to factor in as many opinions as possible.

https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/t...n-162740.shtml

I could understand a change in the Main events, but it looks like everything has the new payouts...

08-16-2016 , 06:06 PM

#1536

mo3rtelmu

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,529

thought it was clear from the online payout structures that no one enjoys playing hours (days in livepoker) to 1.1x their buyin? care to comment neil?

08-16-2016 , 07:15 PM

#1537

U shove i call

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,809

Those payout changes are terrible thanks for that. Only people who are going to like this are pokerstars and spin and go qualifiers.

Last edited by U shove i call; 08-16-2016 at 07:44 PM.

08-16-2016 , 10:24 PM

#1538

zoogenhiem

old hand

Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 1,632

I would be very unlikely to play an event with less than 1.4x mincash fwiw.

08-17-2016 , 07:22 PM

#1539

bergeroo

old hand

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,923

Paying 20% in the 440 Cup tonight and the 15th to 20th percentile finishers get their exact buy in back 440. About 6 hours of play to make the money I think.

08-18-2016 , 06:46 AM

#1540

OurSurveySays

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 5,486

Agree, heard so many recs and regs complain. Nobody likes these changes, will put a lot of people off from attending in the future I think.

08-18-2016 , 07:37 AM

#1541

Isidiop

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 456

lol this is so bad. why not pay out 95% of the field to increase the playing experience?
is there still a player comitee with whom you talk this changes through?

08-18-2016 , 08:04 AM

#1542

OurSurveySays

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 5,486

Currently paying 23% (55/240 runners) in the €10k highroller. Everybody unanimously pissed. Mercier had to check the screen a dozen times to make sure it's ok.

08-18-2016 , 08:10 AM

#1543

U shove i call

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,809

Not that i play highrollers but this is absurd.

Main event can understand it to a degree with a high % of recs and satty players but leave highrollers alone jesus what % of the field want these changes in these events??

08-18-2016 , 08:13 AM

#1544

Isidiop

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 456

even way less understandable in the 85% of tournaments where there won't be a single qualifier

08-24-2016 , 10:44 AM

#1545

davidv1213

Vampy

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,473

If you can manage to replace the smaller epts with bigger fields in other parts of the world that potentially sounds like a good thing. If the worldwide events end up being smaller than Malta/dublin/etc would have been that's gonna suck though, I guess we'll see

http://www.pokerstarslive.com/festival/events/nj/ schedule not showing rake alongside buyin btw

http://www.pokerstarslive.net/poker/pslivestructure/ seems to be old structure for main, 100/200 no ante, 150/300 300/600 w small antes, etc

Last edited by davidv1213; 08-24-2016 at 10:50 AM.

08-24-2016 , 01:52 PM

#1546

UnknownName3

grinder

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 407

Hey NeilJ. When will the full NJ PokerStars Festival schedule be released?
Thanks in advance.

08-28-2016 , 07:35 AM

#1547

U shove i call

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,809

Wondering what the EPT stance is on collusion as i had a very blatant case of it during the EPT main and nothing was done.

Player 1 raised and player 2 3bet player 1 called they were both from the same country.

The board ran out QJ29A no flushes and the action was checked to the river with zero time between actions and the player last to act showed AA.

A floorman was stood at the table about to replace the deck of cards and i naturally protested to him at the sort of collusion you would expect in a €20 buyin not a €5k and he basically said he didn't have the nuts so he doesn't have to bet and couldn't wait to get away.

Could of called a second floor but they were both weak players and didn't seem worth it to cause a huge fuss and stop the game so i let it go but doesn't seem like very good game integrity to me if this behaviour is acceptable.