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I propose half rake re entries or zero rake rebuys at the table. Stop killing the poker ecosystem with these money grabs. The edges are getting thinner everyday.

If the casino isn't going to take a rake on the re-entry, why on earth would they offer it?

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08-07-2016 , 09:08 AM

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PTLou

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Originally Posted by akashenk

If the casino isn't going to take a rake on the re-entry, why on earth would they offer it?

qft. again, rake is irrelevant from a player perspective re: this change.

really need to know if this for all WSOPc stops. I'm guessing no.

Im here at Cherokee now for 1st stop 2016/2017. They did not make that change here.

If chris doesn't answer, it will be easy enough for me to ask them later today for definitive answer.

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08-07-2016 , 09:10 AM

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Took a look at the schedule (I tend to wait now, given the propensity for things to change). Looks like the guarantee on the ME was cut in half compared to last year and is also lower than two years ago. Why? Oh, right... horrid scheduling.

I'm going to definitely come by mid November during the traditional time when this event would have been held to check out what's going on up in the Mezzanine area that prevented it from being used for the WSOPc. I can't think of any other good reason why WSOPc schedulers, or whoever was responsible, would make such a bad business decision.

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08-07-2016 , 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PTLou

I'm not exactly sure what change was made, but all of the WSOPc Main events I have played over the last few years at Ballys, Foxwoods and PH were re-entry.

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08-07-2016 , 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by akashenk

I'm not exactly sure what change was made, but all of the WSOPc Main events I have played over the last few years at Ballys, Foxwoods and PH were re-entry.

single reentry though not unlimited

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08-07-2016 , 09:24 AM

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PTLou

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Originally Posted by akashenk

I'm not exactly sure what change was made, but all of the WSOPc Main events I have played over the last few years at Ballys, Foxwoods and PH were re-entry.

pretty sure chris meant 2016/27 season for PH, not all stops.

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This is new for the 16 - 17 season

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Final changes for @WSOPC event. Ring events now allow re-entry and event R10 changed to 6 max
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7G...ew?usp=sharing[/url]

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08-07-2016 , 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rm81

single reentry though not unlimited

Are you sure about that, with regards to past events? I mean, I have never even considered re-entering one of these tourneys more than once (it would be such a negative EV play) so I guess I never checked to see if it would be allowed.

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08-08-2016 , 06:22 AM

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have it on pretty good authority that this is the situation with re-entries for 2016/17 WSOPc

each casino hosting circuit along with any company that manages the event for them can do mostly what they want with schedule.

Many stops next year will be adding a few more re-entries to their schedule, but are NOT going to make all ring events re-entry. Will still be one big reentry with guarantee up front, but maybe see a few existing events add rentry option.

PH has decided that making all ring events re-entry is the right move for their event. Some in the business share the view that that is a good idea for operator, some do not.

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08-08-2016 , 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by akashenk

WSOPC main events the last couple years have been 2 flights, with single re-entry per flight.

I am curious, though, what in your mind would make the first re-entry +EV and subsequent re-entries "such a negative EV play"? If the tournament is +EV for you to enter, it continues to be so. First hand I run AA into KK, guy hits a K, I am +EV to re-enter, sit down get set over set, now I am -EV to re-enter??

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08-08-2016 , 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518

I'm not sure if the first re-entry is +EV for anyone. I would just say that each subsequent re-entry is more and more -EV, particularly when were' talking about same-day re-entries. These players are not likely to be playing their optimal game and are coming back in to a relative chip disadvantage.

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08-08-2016 , 03:51 PM

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Possibly not playing optimally. But no reason to think if I get coolered or run bad, that I am not playing optimally.

As far as the chip disadvantage, of course you always want to evaluate what the structure is at the point you are registering but plenty of people late reg the tournaments as well. Are they all -EV? Additionally, you are coming in with less big blinds, but you have also outlasted a portion of the field. As an extreme example, it would be +EV to late reg with 4BB if you could do so when the tournament was exactly at the bubble.

Any time I play a re-entry tourney, I look at the structure and decide how late I am willing to fire a re-entry.

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08-10-2016 , 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518

I am not making the argument that players should never re-enter. Depending on the prize-pool to buy-in ratio and other factors, it might make complete sense to re-enter a tourney, particularly if one is doing so on a subsequent day 1.

And I think there's lots of reasons why a player will not likely be playing optimally if they re-enter same-day after just having been coolered or run bad. Players who manage to pay their "A" game in that situation are in a distinct minority. That doesn't mean they can't succeed. But its certainly not the best decision, all other factors being equal.

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08-16-2016 , 07:35 AM

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1 more quick thought. The nightly's have 25 minute levels and 20k in chips. As structured, these won't get to the money till 2 am and finish around 6 am.
This seems a bit late when the next days ring events start at 11 am. Possibly shorten levels to 20 minutes which will shorten length by almost 2 hours.

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08-18-2016 , 06:10 PM

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What about the room code?

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08-21-2016 , 06:45 PM

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Room code is AMZPK6, Rates are pretty cheap at other Caesar properties.

I'm curious about turnouts for this series. What's the over/under on event 1. 6 starting flights with a 150 k guarantee that they'll blow through. Maybe 1000?? I'm firing 3 max...

Wish they would change the nightly structure so it didn't end at 5 am...

Otherwise, I'm looking forward to 13 days of poker in Vegas. Venetian deepstacks 3.5 starts on 9/1. Not much overlap, but another reason to be in Vegas to play poker.

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08-22-2016 , 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jtt300

My only turnout concern would be for the Main Event. Its over a holiday weekend. Its so close to summer as to be less appealing to East-Coast players and others who have to travel great distances. And it would seem they know this since they cut the guarantee in half compared to last year. I'm guessing they should have no problem making the lower ME guarantee, but I think its likely to be a rather ho-hum event compared to what it was last year.

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08-23-2016 , 07:57 PM

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Why are the guarantees so small? I would think Vegas could pull in a bigger player pool.

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08-24-2016 , 03:35 AM

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Not this time of year. People aren't going to travel to Vegas for a Circuit event unless they're going for the year-end championship.

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08-24-2016 , 07:09 AM

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Let's do a little side by side comparison. Here are fields for 3 key events from last years series in November.
Rebuy - 580 11/15 - 1162 entries 365 - 8/16 - ??
Monster Stack 365 both years 11/15 - 632 entries - 8/16 - ??
Main Event - 11/15 - 1304 entries - 8/16 - ??

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08-24-2016 , 03:04 PM

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365 might get more others will get less

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08-24-2016 , 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by persianpunisher

Why are the guarantees so small? I would think Vegas could pull in a bigger player pool.

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Not this time of year. People aren't going to travel to Vegas for a Circuit event unless they're going for the year-end championship.

This, and there are just a confluence of events (holiday, proximity to summer, slashed guarantee) which will put a damper on the turnout. It really makes one question why the WSOP or PH made this decision, but of course, mums the word. Heaven forbid anybody actually explain their decisions.

Right now I'd put the over/under on the ME around 700, which is about half what they got last year. Its clear the powers that be are looking at a similar figure, which would account for the guarantee slash.

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08-25-2016 , 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by akashenk

Came down to when the space was available. Poker doesn't control the Mezz and we had to work within other conventions that were booked.

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08-25-2016 , 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TDChrisG

Came down to when the space was available. Poker doesn't control the Mezz and we had to work within other conventions that were booked.

This is kind of what I figured. That sucks for you guys.

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08-25-2016 , 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by akashenk

This is kind of what I figured. That sucks for you guys.

We are grateful to host a WSOPC every year and mixing it up timing wise isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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08-25-2016 , 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TDChrisG

We are grateful to host a WSOPC every year and mixing it up timing wise isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Well, gratitude and change for the sake of change aside, I'm sure you would agree the timing of this year's event isn't ideal, for obvious reasons. That being said, I think it will draw decent numbers and won't be any sort of flop (hopefully). Personally, I'm trying to rearrange a few things to make it out for the ME.

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