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2014 Seminole Hard Rock Poker Open (,000,000 GTD ME) August 14 - Sept. 3 2014 Seminole Hard Rock Poker Open (,000,000 GTD ME) August 14 - Sept. 3

07-26-2014 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie
Sorry to interrupt the arguments in donkament structures but any idea when the $560 on weekend of Aug 24th will get in the money? I know there is a ton of day 1s, but it says Sunday is day 2 and the final day. Just seems like it will be a huge tourney and difficult to accommodate during that span
We should reach the money in the late afternoon Sunday. Last year the field size necessitated a day 3 and that may happen again.
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07-26-2014 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by William Mason
We should reach the money in the late afternoon Sunday. Last year the field size necessitated a day 3 and that may happen again.
Thank you for the quick response!
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07-26-2014 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bender22
I am not really sure why it is ridiculous to compare any two tournaments no matter the BI when you are trying to choose where to play. You have to figure it out somehow. And, actually, you were the one originally comparing the two tournaments trying to decide which one to play.

To me, it is not so much the BI as it is the return on my investment that I care about as long as I can afford the BI. So, the Pro’s for SHR were guarantee is better, structure is better, and payouts are better. Pro’s for Winstar were lower cost and softer field. Also, Winstar payout structure might be adversely affected after first place if they do not get enough players. I have nothing against Winstar but this adds up to me that SHR is definitely worth the extra $2,800 to play instead of Winstar.

So, I took your advice and analyzed the SHR structure ($30k ss, 40/60/90 min levels) vs the WSOP $5k structure ($15k ss with hour levels).

At every level, SHR is better than or equal to the play in the WSOP $5k tournament structure. Actually, the two structures are almost exactly symmetrical up to the point when the SHR 90 minute levels kick in at level 24. First 8 levels are somewhat similar. Levels 9-23 are exactly the same. Used duration of play to compare instead of levels since there was a mismatch of time in the first 9 levels. A couple of data points as example below:

Using 2,000 Players – Total BB’s in play by time
After 2 Hours: SHR - 400,000 BB’s <---> WSOP – 300,000 BB’s
After 4 Hours: SHR - 200,000 BB’s <---> WSOP – 150,000 BB’s
After 6 Hours: SHR - 100,000 BB’s <---> WSOP – 100,000 BB’s
After 10 Hours: SHR – 37,500 BB’s <---> WSOP – 37,500 BB’s
After 16 Hours: SHR – 10,000 BB’s <---> WSOP – 10,000 BB’s
After 20 Hours: SHR – 3,750 BB’s <---> WSOP – 3,750 BB’s

Last year’s SHR tourney got down to top 10% after 16 hours of play. Both 2014 WSOP $5ks got down to top 10% after 16 hours of play.

Basically, the SHR structure utilizing a $30k ss is a mirror image of play to the WSOP $5k structure with a $15k ss for the first 20 hours.
go to hell with all this logical information!
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07-28-2014 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rarerabbit
August 3rd and 10th are at Hollywood? Any guaranteed # of seats?
The August 3rd & 10th Qualifiers will be held at the Seminole Hard Rock Hollywood and each will be guaranteed 15 seats.
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07-28-2014 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bender22
I am not really sure why it is ridiculous to compare any two tournaments no matter the BI when you are trying to choose where to play. You have to figure it out somehow. And, actually, you were the one originally comparing the two tournaments trying to decide which one to play.

To me, it is not so much the BI as it is the return on my investment that I care about as long as I can afford the BI. So, the Pro’s for SHR were guarantee is better, structure is better, and payouts are better. Pro’s for Winstar were lower cost and softer field. Also, Winstar payout structure might be adversely affected after first place if they do not get enough players. I have nothing against Winstar but this adds up to me that SHR is definitely worth the extra $2,800 to play instead of Winstar.

So, I took your advice and analyzed the SHR structure ($30k ss, 40/60/90 min levels) vs the WSOP $5k structure ($15k ss with hour levels).

At every level, SHR is better than or equal to the play in the WSOP $5k tournament structure. Actually, the two structures are almost exactly symmetrical up to the point when the SHR 90 minute levels kick in at level 24. First 8 levels are somewhat similar. Levels 9-23 are exactly the same. Used duration of play to compare instead of levels since there was a mismatch of time in the first 9 levels. A couple of data points as example below:

Using 2,000 Players – Total BB’s in play by time
After 2 Hours: SHR - 400,000 BB’s <---> WSOP – 300,000 BB’s
After 4 Hours: SHR - 200,000 BB’s <---> WSOP – 150,000 BB’s
After 6 Hours: SHR - 100,000 BB’s <---> WSOP – 100,000 BB’s
After 10 Hours: SHR – 37,500 BB’s <---> WSOP – 37,500 BB’s
After 16 Hours: SHR – 10,000 BB’s <---> WSOP – 10,000 BB’s
After 20 Hours: SHR – 3,750 BB’s <---> WSOP – 3,750 BB’s

Last year’s SHR tourney got down to top 10% after 16 hours of play. Both 2014 WSOP $5ks got down to top 10% after 16 hours of play.

Basically, the SHR structure utilizing a $30k ss is a mirror image of play to the WSOP $5k structure with a $15k ss for the first 20 hours.
Well done Bender, happy to see that they are using the same structure and payout I developed with them last year but sad I will not be there to run one of the best events of the year.


Good Luck to everyone attending, William Mason, and the dealers/staff.
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07-28-2014 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Savage
Well done Bender, happy to see that they are using the same structure and payout I developed with them last year but sad I will not be there to run one of the best events of the year.


Good Luck to everyone attending, William Mason, and the dealers/staff.
Nearly any reasonable structure will pan out to a decent final table average.

That still doesn't show that hour levels throughout would be such a disaster.

It would finish by 1am day 1 and have one additional level on day 2 and resume exactly on the current format day 3.
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07-28-2014 , 07:21 PM
^Can someone who's in the know please answer this.

Firstly it will put a stop to the incessant posts and secondly might even be valid.
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07-28-2014 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Nearly any reasonable structure will pan out to a decent final table average.

That still doesn't show that hour levels throughout would be such a disaster.

It would finish by 1am day 1 and have one additional level on day 2 and resume exactly on the current format day 3.
but it does show that the numbers work out for having deeper play when it matters the most. You know, the end of the tournament.

Hour levels on day 1 would only equate to you folding 20 more minutes each level aside from when you have pocket pairs or AQ+.
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07-28-2014 , 10:07 PM
would prefer 20 mins first 4 levels but i'll deal
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07-28-2014 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pistons
would prefer 20 mins first 4 levels but i'll deal
if you had your way, every tournament would be a $10k and last 7 hours total.

Last edited by pokerproplaya08; 07-28-2014 at 11:01 PM. Reason: doesn't sound too bad to be honest
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07-29-2014 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Biju
^Can someone who's in the know please answer this.

Firstly it will put a stop to the incessant posts and secondly might even be valid.
The posts won't stop. What he is saying is true. Still doesn't negate the fact that as many reentries as possible are key for meeting the gtd or that some people actually like the 40 min levels.

FWIW I agree with him and think the bashing he's received in this thread isn't justified.
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07-29-2014 , 10:21 AM
For those asking, the August Qualifiers for events other than the main that are held before the series begins can be found here:

http://seminolehardrockpokeropen.com...e-august-2014/
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07-29-2014 , 09:10 PM
William despite the bashing ive received, Im sure this will be a great event.

Your staff and venue are first rate.
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07-30-2014 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
William despite the bashing ive received, Im sure this will be a great event.

Your staff and venue are first rate.
one of the few posts I can agree with Allen. Well done.
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07-30-2014 , 04:51 PM
Should one expect the $350 to run into Monday?
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07-30-2014 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrigg14
Should one expect the $350 to run into Monday?
Yes for sure. Final table is almost always on Monday
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08-02-2014 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerproplaya08
if you had your way, every tournament would be a $10k and last 7 hours total.
this would be amazing
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08-02-2014 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Zima421
this would be amazing
im in too Zima if you want to buy my action in every mtt I play lol
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08-02-2014 , 05:18 PM
With jolly ranchers ldo!
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08-03-2014 , 09:33 AM
Playing several events starting with the 350 on the 15th. Driving down on Thursday the 14th with another live cash game pro. Any grinders wanna meet up?
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08-03-2014 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dillieyo
Playing several events starting with the 350 on the 15th. Driving down on Thursday the 14th with another live cash game pro. Any grinders wanna meet up?
depends on how many females you're hanging out with at that moment imo
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08-03-2014 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerproplaya08
depends on how many females you're hanging out with at that moment imo
Well I got a gf so not going down there for that lol. But good luck to you sir!
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08-04-2014 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dillieyo
Well I got a gf so not going down there for that lol. But good luck to you sir!
good luck in your quest to find a male companion
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08-04-2014 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by William Mason
The August 3rd & 10th Qualifiers will be held at the Seminole Hard Rock Hollywood and each will be guaranteed 15 seats.
How many seats paid in Aug. 3 mega?
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08-04-2014 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rarerabbit
How many seats paid in Aug. 3 mega?
157 entries awarded 15 seats
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