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02-19-2013 , 04:40 AM
Thought last year's thread separating these from the bracelet events worked really well, so here is a thread dedicated to the Daily Deepstacks. Some things to note:

$235 (15k start) has moved from 2pm to 3pm.
$185 (10k start) and $135 (5k start) stay at 6pm and 10pm respectively.

Still waiting to see that juice remains the same.

They haven't uploaded the structure sheets, but have indicated that level length (30 mins), starting stacks, late registration and re-entries (up to end of level 4) will be the same as last year. And registration once again in the Pavilion Room.

In terms of numbers, once again I'd assume there'd be pretty big fields. 2012 results also include field size info.

As a guide, for the $235, field size started at around 300, grew to 700 within a week, passed through 1,000 mid-June (even midweek) and the midweek fields started tapering off into July. Some days attendance depends on other events around town (eg. DSE / Wynn / Binions / GPS / Ceasars) who all offer events under $500 throughout June.

Other useful threads include:
SpaceyFCB's Las Vegas Summer Schedule thread
Main 2013 WSOP discussion thread.

There will be numerous other WSOP threads as we close in on late May.
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02-19-2013 , 06:27 AM
Hopefully Rio/Caesars will reconsider their policy of not facilitating chops in the Deep Stacks. Even with the 2 p.m. start these generally went until at least 2 a.m., sometimes 3 or 4 a.m., so the 3 p.m. start will be even worse (unless they tweak the structure). If they'd allow changing of the payouts to a chip-chop, ICM-chop, or whatever deal the players agree to, then that would avoid the nastiness of unofficial chops including the complication of adjusting the deals for taxes (especially when citizens of foreign countries are involved). As it stands, more players are averse to chops due to these issues, so the tourney continues on into the wee hours.

Ending the Deep Stacks with a safe, aboveboard chop helps everyone as the players reduce their variance, their taxes are straight-forward, the house should get a few more buy-ins for the next day's Noon tourney, and the staff gets to go home early.

On a related note, the staff should be trained to completely shutdown the chop talk if a single player says "I don't chop". It is annoying when a player makes it clear that he/she won't chop, but someone else at the table continues to bring it up after every single hand, berating the player that refuses the chop. And if that happens to be the reason why the house won't facilitate chops, I hope they know that it simply doesn't work, since that scenario happens often regardless of their chop policy.

I understand them outlawing chops for WSOP events, but in this case there are no bracelets involved so the integrity of the game would still be secure.
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02-19-2013 , 11:48 AM
These things were really fun and I hope to play some more this year
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02-19-2013 , 10:07 PM
Moving to 3 is a terrible idea

Blinds should start and keep at 100/200 with button ante or 150/300 for the entire reg period to expedite bust out rate. Add 2 or 3 intermediary blind levels at the stage in the tournament is in the money, It'll improve the structure for the latter stages and produce a larger prize pool. WSOP makes more rake

Help facilitate deals. It's a joke they don't. 30k for 1st. Average stack 12 bbs. Lol
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02-20-2013 , 04:49 AM
Yeh not falicitating chops is awful but its not like they dont do it just for this one tourney, the casino wont do it regardless of the money at stake. Setting it back until 3pm is really bad as well, the one i ft'd ended 4-5am and i had to get up early to play an event the next morning. Was really hoping theyd cut out some of the earlier levels and instead just did 1 hour of 100-200 or something. Either way these things are really fun and ill probably be playing a decent amount of them this summer!
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02-20-2013 , 09:47 AM
Anyone know the average times the 6pm and 10pm ends each night?
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02-20-2013 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk
Moving to 3 is a terrible idea

Blinds should start and keep at 100/200 with button ante or 150/300 for the entire reg period to expedite bust out rate. Add 2 or 3 intermediary blind levels at the stage in the tournament is in the money, It'll improve the structure for the latter stages and produce a larger prize pool. WSOP makes more rake

Help facilitate deals. It's a joke they don't. 30k for 1st. Average stack 12 bbs. Lol
But, but, but... then it would not be a Deeeeeeeep Stack!!
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02-20-2013 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by twohype
Anyone know the average times the 6pm and 10pm ends each night?
Don't plan on getting much change from 3 - 5am after the first couple of days, and possibly later later on.
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02-21-2013 , 04:20 AM
They won't ever facilitate deals. There are no deals in bracelet events (to protect the "integrity" of the bracelet) so there won't be deals anywhere in the WSOP.
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02-21-2013 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GrimeRat420
Yeh not falicitating chops is awful but its not like they dont do it just for this one tourney, the casino wont do it regardless of the money at stake. Setting it back until 3pm is really bad as well, the one i ft'd ended 4-5am and i had to get up early to play an event the next morning. Was really hoping theyd cut out some of the earlier levels and instead just did 1 hour of 100-200 or something. Either way these things are really fun and ill probably be playing a decent amount of them this summer!
i would leave the structure as is. I'm assuming that the late start has to do with maximizing turnout, so maybe its a good thing. Also, requesting that grimerat420 sits on my right...
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02-21-2013 , 03:12 PM
Suspect the later start time is due to not having tables/dealers from the noon NLH events. Twice last year the 2:00 was delayed to three for this reason while I was there. All in all, these are very well run. If you don't want to play until 5:00, then go enter a 2 day event somewhere else. People get tired and make mistakes!

Every year, the same comment on how the structure of a 1 day MTT isn't as "good" as a 3 day. Really? This surprises you because . . .?
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02-21-2013 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Beachman42
Every year, the same comment on how the structure of a 1 day MTT isn't as "good" as a 3 day. Really? This surprises you because . . .?
This. Where else can you get a buy-in under $250, a 1-day event and sometimes close to $50k up top?

I usually play these as gap-fillers (when there isn't a bracelet event I want to play or if I bust early. But I've almost always had fun. The only proviso being that you're sometimes stuck with some rather annoying tablemates (that's being on the polite side). But I guess that happens everywhere (altho last year the ratio seemed rather high).
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02-21-2013 , 10:48 PM
Tough to use these as a filler in between events when they go so late into the next morning and now they push the start time back another hour. No way you can play these if you're planning on playing anything that starts the next morning, well I guess some of the sickos maybe can but that's about it, lol.
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02-22-2013 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by stevematador
Tough to use these as a filler in between events when they go so late into the next morning and now they push the start time back another hour. No way you can play these if you're planning on playing anything that starts the next morning, well I guess some of the sickos maybe can but that's about it, lol.
Would think having a shot at a $50k win could be worth skipping or late regging a bracelet event.
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02-22-2013 , 02:57 AM
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Would think having a shot at a $50k win could be worth skipping or late regging a bracelet event.
Yes. This.

And given that my regular time zone is few hrs back (the day before). I just stay on Aussie time which means going to bed at 3 or 4 and getting up 10:30, having a shower, a bite to eat and off to play in time for noon.
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02-22-2013 , 03:16 AM
Dont forget most of the time you have busted this before 10pm anyway. Played a lot fo those last year and had lots of fun, mainly used them for fillers or to relax/spew/steam-off. Have yet to make a decent run in them tho
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02-22-2013 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GrimeRat420
Yeh not falicitating chops is awful but its not like they dont do it just for this one tourney, the casino wont do it regardless of the money at stake. Setting it back until 3pm is really bad as well, the one i ft'd ended 4-5am and i had to get up early to play an event the next morning. Was really hoping theyd cut out some of the earlier levels and instead just did 1 hour of 100-200 or something. Either way these things are really fun and ill probably be playing a decent amount of them this summer!
Lol if anyone I thought you would want chops to be facilitated for sure.

My buddy made same FT and said guy who signed for first was from Austria and didn't have his passport, two of the other players actually got in a taxi with the guy and went back to his hotel to get the passport, like you said wasn't completed until maybe 4-5am or 2-3hr after the chop was agreed upon

These are (for the most part) casual players playing non prestigious events, chopping really shouldn't be a big deal
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02-22-2013 , 08:42 PM
If the guy didn't have his passport, how did he reg in the first place?
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02-22-2013 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmossy84
Lol if anyone I thought you would want chops to be facilitated for sure.

My buddy made same FT and said guy who signed for first was from Austria and didn't have his passport, two of the other players actually got in a taxi with the guy and went back to his hotel to get the passport, like you said wasn't completed until maybe 4-5am or 2-3hr after the chop was agreed upon

These are (for the most part) casual players playing non prestigious events, chopping really shouldn't be a big deal
I was in on this chop and yeh it was pretty absurd. we had to go back to some withered casino he was staying at to get his passport, come back to rio and split the cash between the players and it def all lasted past 5. But i think you misunderstood me a bit, i do want chops to be facilitated i just dont think the rio will start doing it in the near future although they obv should for all their tournies including bracelet events.
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02-23-2013 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
If the guy didn't have his passport, how did he reg in the first place?
When you register for your first tourny of the whole WSOP, they scan your ID, Passport, and take a new photo if no recent activity. Therefore when you register for other tournaments you just need your Players Card, when they scan it your mug shot appears on cashier screen.

Which helps prevent your 19yr old brother from registering and making the final table and screwing everything up. It happened at the V last year and I got screwed.
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02-23-2013 , 04:26 AM
When you chop how do you settle the tax burden of the first place finisher being issued a W2 for x but in actuality he received 1/2x?
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02-23-2013 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by camz2895
When you chop how do you settle the tax burden of the first place finisher being issued a W2 for x but in actuality he received 1/2x?
+1
I need to know too. (Please ..It will help me in future)
One time I refused to chop for the same reason and and no one at that FT was able to explain to me !!
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02-23-2013 , 03:20 PM
Pretty sure you'd have to follow the same steps as if u were selling action for example. Say ur w2 is for 50k but u gave away 20k so ur cash is only for 30, u need to make sure to get the info of those who youre giving the money to. A w9 is the best way to do this but all u really need is the recipients' name, ssn, and address. Assuming they provide u the correct info u can then 1099 them at the end of the year for the amount u gave them so as not to pay taxes on the other 20k as well. Id consult an accountant to verify that info tho, since i am not one. This is why chops need to be facilitated, to make sure people dont get ****ed over in the sense that they pay taxes on more than what they really cashed for.
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02-23-2013 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bgfoot
When you register for your first tourny of the whole WSOP, they scan your ID, Passport, and take a new photo if no recent activity. Therefore when you register for other tournaments you just need your Players Card, when they scan it your mug shot appears on cashier screen.

Which helps prevent your 19yr old brother from registering and making the final table and screwing everything up. It happened at the V last year and I got screwed.
They have always asked for my ID at the cage for every single tournament I've entered.
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