Wain Man,

JOIN ME. I think it's almost undeniably the best work he's done. It has all the cinematic gusto of Goodfellas - which i previously thought was his best - and adds a layer of anarchist madcap comedy on top to boot. I hold many of his works in very high regard so I don't think I'm rushing to crown it his masterpiece. And I really do think it will be regarded as such within 15 years.

Nope. This will be thought of as The Departed or Age of Innocence, at best.

you could do a lot worse then being compared to the departed, that movie was awesome.
however as much as I liked wows don't think it's on the same level as goodfellas n casino.

Even the people who love the movie admit it was too one sided and being too long didn't help either. It's a fun romp but doesn't have near the emotional stickiness of Goodfellas or Casino, let alone Taxi Driver, Raging Bull or even Gangs that it doesn't even touch.

ya while I think it's clearly Leo's best work don't think it's close to Marty's.

Really liked this from film critic hulk's top ten of 2013 list:

Converted from all caps for readability. I felt physically sick and very angry for huge parts of the film and I think that was the point. It is totally possible to condemn just by showing something without having to punish the characters on screen. Scorsese doesn't need to explicitly say "misogyny is bad" because just showing misogyny in all it's gory glory makes the point for him.

link to full top 10: http://badassdigest.com/2014/01/02/h...ovies-of-2013/

If you make a movie about misogynist azzholes, guess what? A lot of what they do is going to be misogynist.

Nope, not like there is any way to know other than I'll bump this in 15 years if I am not dead

Also wow this Hulk guy has the same taste as me almost exactly

excellent write up.

Maybe im just a finance geek but i thought charging 50% commission on OTC punksheets crap was hilariously outragious. Not sure if thats what he charged in real life...i think i was the only person who laughed at that. Yes im a huge finance geek

I don't think u need to be a finance geek to find that outrageous.
I know almost nothing about finance or the market but still realized how absolutely absurd that was.

i thought about 1/3 of the movie was very entertaining and the rest was repetitive. Although the part where they take the LEMONs was pretty hilarious.

It was way too long and was nothing new.

I would rather watch boiler room any day.

^ Already wrote up in the Movies Seen Lately thread, but I agree with you. Thought it was okay but too long and unoriginal. It could almost pass for a remake of other, arguably better movies.

I was the first one to call in mediocre.

I really like what Film Crit Hulk wrote about "society doesn't punish these *******s - why should the film?" and his reference to the sheep moron audience at the end, mirroring most of us watching the film itself.

It's hard to judge the rape scene's rapeyness because there's that weird cut from where they're standing up to lying down. How did they get there? I wonder if that was a cut mandated by the MPAA. In any event, she says "no" multiple times and is under clear duress, so arguing vehemently against it being rape is pretty absurd.

As an aside to the men who tend to defend rape or rapey things: you are much more likely to BE raped than to be falsely accused (nevermind convicted) of rape, which is obviously where a lot of the concern comes from. Maybe your energies would be better spent changing society's attitudes towards rape so that you lessen your own chances of being raped.

The MPAA does not make suggestions or say what should be cut from the film. They only give a rating and a reason (sex, violence, etc.)

Do they just make 'wall street finance guys' into stock peddlers in this (and boiler room) because the average person cannot wrap their brain around what actual finance guys do?

(Both their actual job descriptions, and also the ways in which they commit fraud)

well i dunno about "they" but in this case they just depicted what he actually did IIRC.

it wasn't a movie about generic wall street fraud, it was a biography of someone who operated pump n dump schemes and peddled penny stocks etc.

Agreed. I actually fell asleep during the movie. There was no reason for it to be 3 hours. Boiler Room >>> WOW

Sort of: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/mo...reet.html?_r=0

Saw the movie last night...laughed my ass off and thought it had way more comedic value than Anchorman 2.

I think you guys are looking a bit too deep into the movie. It simply seemed like a "look what money can turn you into" type of movie if we are truly looking for a theme. There is classic intense dissection in this thread of a movie that was meant to be entertaining. Scorcese did what he does and made an awesome movie. I would say comparing it to the Departed seems logical, but is that really being made into a bad thing?

FWIW, I don't know if this displays poor character traits in me, but until I read the OP it didn't even cross my mind that the scene in question was rape. I guess if you pull out the Websters definition perhaps, but it just seemed like a typical wealthy husband/wife interaction in today's day and age. If that is rape I would say a lot of women are currently in relationships where they are being raped on a regular basis. I understand this still doesn't justify it but maybe points to the reason why so many view it as just regular and normal. To my knowledge, women give it up to their husband all the time when they don't actually want to sex to just shut him up or keep him from being irritable.

After reading some more of the posts, I must say Hulk's critique of the movie seems almost perfect. I believe that not punishing the characters too harshly was one of the best parts of the movie. Leo is rich, goes to "jail" for rich people, and lands on his feet making money off the dumb again just like he started. That epitomizes America and capitalism today.

Also, I forgot to mention that Jonah Hill deserves all of the accolades he gets. Who would have thought after Superbad that this kid would be absolutely killing each and every role. His acting was absolutely amazing in the movie. I don't know if it's even considered a stretch, but I would say he outperformed Leo.

Well I loved it, no one's mentioned the boiler room + fear and loathing vibe with all the drugs?

Boiler room was a good film for a few reasons, it wasn't great.
This is a great film for a few reasons.. Leo was awesome I thought, Jonah Hill as mentioned earlier might have even stole the show, soundtrack didn't stand out as a "pulp fiction" great but.... Well it did have smokestack lightning by howling wolf!

Classic scorcese for me. Probably need to re watch the departed given the props it's getting.

If drugs and promiscuity offend then don't watch, if like me they amuse then sit back and expect to laugh for 2 hours. Agreed it was 30 mins too long.

Op..... Probably (only just) a critique of wall Street, but I wouldn't really call it anything other than a rip roaring fun movie, with little moral regard, again as stated earlier it's a biopic so I guess it's his (lack of) morals we are seeing.

If a husband cajoling his wife into sex when she doesn't really want to have sex is rape, then every time a woman cajoles her husband into buying something he didn't really wan't to buy is theft.