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I would think Chris Christie, but he's so nuclear that I doubt he'd be a good choice. Trump would have to pander to minorities and women, so I pick Condoleza Rice as a target for best but not happening. I'm guessing that the VP will be a surprise to everyone, but Trump already said he needs someone to show him how to govern, so don't expect some outsider.

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05-05-2016 , 09:29 AM

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No.
The US isn't a 2 party system. Many of the founding fathers greatly feared political parties. Parties aren't mentioned at all in the Constitution. It's just that the whole process had been corrupted by money. And the ones with the money are Republicans and Democrats.

An independent can get elected at the state level, but has no chance at the national level. And even at the state level, there has to be pre-existing fame or extreme wealth.

If this election cycle should teach one thing to the US general population it's the extent to which the system is rigged. It shows just how fractured the Republican party really is. The Republican coalition of religious, poor white, rich etc. has completely collapsed. Frankly, it's amazing that Trump is this close to the nomination. He's the only non-democrat who can muster an audience.

As for Hillary v Trump - I'm tempted to hope Trump wins. Hillary is such a by the numbers insider that even the Koch brothers prefer her. It would be interesting to see how Congress and the entrenched bureaucracy deals with Trump. Maybe the Congress will be forced to retake some of the constitutional powers they have abdicated (Budget and War to be specific).
I think people are over-estimating and fear-mongering about the amount of damage that one person, even a President, can do.

In a sick way, I agree with you. Trump would definitely be a test of the checks and balances put into place. He's already ripped the mask off the entire illusion and I think that's what attracts people to him. As I said before, I think both parties are going to end up doing some serious soul searching, and no doubt, whatever we are seeing now is just the beginning. It may be 10 years before we really see the consequences.

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05-05-2016 , 12:44 PM

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Reading this CNN article suggests that Trump is looking for a woman to run with him, considering 3 out 4 governors mentioned are women:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/04/politi...sident-search/

What will happen when all 50 state governors say no? haha.

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05-09-2016 , 04:34 PM

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He's too smart to choose Palin. And please please tell me it is not going to be Omarosa. good god.

Someone clarify something for me. What is Trump's latest position on taxes for the wealthy? Is he for raising or lowering their taxes? Can we believe anything he says? He changes with the wind.

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05-09-2016 , 04:40 PM

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It doesn't matter. Trump's supporters are in for the racism. Tax plans are for dorks and are irrelevant.

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05-09-2016 , 04:45 PM

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You seem pretty sure about the racism. If he picks Omarosa (or whatever her name is) or another black female then he may not be as racist as you think.

If Trump is for raising taxes on the wealthy then I'll be very relieved.

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05-09-2016 , 04:57 PM

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Tokenism isn't proof of a lack of racial attitudes. Trump consistently refers to "the blacks" and "the Hispanics" as "they" or "them" and almost never "we" or "us." The messaging isn't lost on either Trump's supporters or on the minorities. Trump's most famous rhetoric and most popular proposals are explicitly racist or otherwise white nationalist. Most racism isn't a conscious hatred of every single individual of a given race. One of the driving forces behind both Trump and the Tea Party is white fears of losing status as the privileged class.

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05-09-2016 , 04:57 PM

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Congress creates and passes the budget. Trump gets to sign or veto it.

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05-09-2016 , 05:17 PM

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Thank you for explaining that. I just want to know if he is for raising taxes on the wealthy, dammit. I have simple needs. I like to refer to the wealthy as "them".

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05-09-2016 , 05:22 PM

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Didn't mean to condescend.
Trump has changed his statements lately. He's moved on from getting the nomination to the general election.

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05-09-2016 , 05:31 PM

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Wookie loves wading in the cesspool of the politards. Let him stay there with his kind and leave the Lounge be.

Please

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05-09-2016 , 05:33 PM

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Thank you for explaining that. I just want to know if he is for raising taxes on the wealthy, dammit. I have simple needs. I like to refer to the wealthy as "them".

In-group and out-group language is all over the place. I refer to San Francisco 49ers fans as "them" too.

But on Trump and the rich, if Trump wins the presidency, it will be accompanied by Republican control of both the House and Senate. So regardless of what Trump says, expect any and all tax proposals that make it to Trump's desk to be heavily based on GOP proposals. So no, Trump won't in practice tax the rich.

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05-09-2016 , 05:35 PM

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Please

Your plan to keep me out of a forum I moderate is certainly a curious one.

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05-09-2016 , 05:40 PM

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I always refer to the Mark Cuban ideology that we are all bigots to some degree.

San Fransisco is full of men who are openly misogynistic and clearly excluding the poor. You subscribe to a religion that openly supports women as second class citizens and slavery. It stands to reason that you are...?

I have no clue what data you have that supports your contentions. Please do so because I expect better than this.

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05-09-2016 , 05:47 PM

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Your plan to keep me out of a forum I moderate is certainly a curious one.

Yeah, that is a problem

I prefer to keep this crap and especially the nonsense you spew to stay in the Politics forum where it belongs.

To abstractly discuss the election cycle (which I believe is this threads intention) is okay but guys like you will turn it all politardy because its what you do.

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05-09-2016 , 05:51 PM

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Your plan to keep me out of a forum I moderate is certainly a curious one.

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It doesn't matter. Trump's supporters are in for the racism. Tax plans are for dorks and are irrelevant.

are what we're trying to get away from. Otherwise we're just Politics forum part deux and there's no point to this thread. But you're the forum mod, do what you want obviously.

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05-09-2016 , 05:52 PM

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It's not a plan to keep you out. The intention was to create a place to have a more mature discussion about this. What this would mean to most posters is you participate in one location or the other. If someone wants to participate in both, it'd be nice for them to change their tune a bit and realize they're not engaging in the Politics forum culture.

Comments like this:

are what we're trying to get away from. Otherwise we're just Politics forum part deux and there's no point to this thread. But you're the forum mod, do what you want obviously.

Amen!

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05-09-2016 , 05:57 PM

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But this is a political topic. How do you have an honest and complete discussion about it without getting politically charged?

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05-09-2016 , 06:12 PM

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Wookie might have gone a bit too far with that comment in context, but he has not gone as far as the comments Mr. Trump has made (not even close). Let's not forget that Trump started his campaign by saying that Mexico sends its worst to the US and then calling us (I am a Mexican in the US) rapists. Let's not forget he calls for religious intolerance towards Muslims and for social profiling. His racism is clear in many speeches he makes. His misogyny is also clear (maybe not as clear as his racism).

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05-09-2016 , 06:13 PM

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But this is a political topic. How do you have an honest and complete discussion about it without getting politically charged?

By spewing your opinions in the Politics forum.

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05-09-2016 , 06:15 PM

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I don't live in San Francisco, and I don't ascribe to a religion that treats women as second class.

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05-09-2016 , 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

It's not a plan to keep you out. The intention was to create a place to have a more mature discussion about this. What this would mean to most posters is they participate in one location or the other. If someone wants to participate in both, it'd be nice for them to change their tune a bit and realize they're not engaging in the Politics forum culture.

Comments like this:

are what we're trying to get away from. Otherwise we're just Politics forum part deux and there's no point to this thread. But you're the forum mod, do what you want obviously.

Talking about Trump while wanting to censor any mention of the role of racism is nonsensical.

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05-09-2016 , 06:20 PM

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By spewing your opinions in the Politics forum.

Well then might as well have the thread moved there, no point in having it here if it can't achieve it's full potential.

Also opinions?

If you think most of what he wrote is opinion you either have never watched a Trump speech/rally or you're in denial.

Trump is using an age old republican tactic of telling poor white people all their problems are caused by poor people of color, thus turning the poor against each other so they can't unite against their real oppressor the wealthy class.