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Originally Posted by Enrique
I don't get how people can claim that both are so despicable that it's lose-lose. Trump's is objectively worse by several orders of magnitude. He's racist, mysoginistic, and frankly anti-American. It's really hard to understand how it can be ignored that he goes against freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and the whole concept in America of equality. It's very sad that he can be president and that people actually think Hillary would be worse.
Furthermore, almost everything Trump says can be factually demonstrated to be false or at least misleading. It's ridiculous this election is even close.
Also, to answer dave's question on whether anybody likes any of these candidates. I like Hillary. I think she has been great in the debates and that the scandals against her have been "created" rather than real. I think a lot of the pushback against Hillary is sexism.
Having said that, I understand that there are things to dislike about Hillary. She made a mistake with the email server thing, she stood on the wrong side of issues (in my opinion) several times. But her faults are not comparable with Trump's.
I don't think it is sexism so much as it is Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama... Clinton? It didn't feel like there was much choices in the initial running of the Democrats. Bernie blew up at the end, but the super delegates were already committed to her. That's fine under the rules, but it's kind of gross to think about how all that went down.
I don't think that anyone at this point would agree that Trump is objectively better than Clinton if you really pushed them on security or international relations. Health Care was and still is terrible policy as written and it needs to be revisited.*
Job growth is a non-issue, since I don't think that politicians have much of an effect on this area, but I can totally understand how people in the rust belt are angry about manufacturing jobs leaving. Fortunately, I left Cleveland right when manufacturing was sinking, and by extension, decimating the entire state. It is hard to remember that since I'm no longer in the area, and I can only imagine how hard it is to relate if you haven't actually seen all of it for yourself. It really was about as close to 3rd world as you'd find in America.
Of course, there are other things to note about Ohio. I went to Cleveland Public, which has "improved" to being almost out of the top 10 worst school systems in the nation. Yes, racism was extreme, but it went in both directions, and I'd rather not talk about it here.
here's a quote from wiki: "The district continued to improve its graduation rate over several years, increasing it from 39.5% in 2002 to over 50% of students graduating in 2004" It is now at 56%, which is really something. I was in a class before these years. If I recall, there was 900 freshmen every year and only 70 graduated.
You know, it is a totally different world with very complex problems. It over simplistic to state that Ohioans are "racist" and therefore like Trump. Obama sold hope and that didn't work out for everyone.