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12-07-2018 , 06:36 PM
From April 28 of this year:

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Avengers: IW review:

Meh.

For the last few months, my buddy and I have done the usual Marvel nerd thing and tried to take apart trailers to try and guess what would happen. The biggest debate between he and I was how the film would end.

His take was that Thanos would get all 6 stones, kill half the universe and then the n the 2nd movie would be the remaining Avengers finding a away to undo the damage.

I said that he should get 4 or 5 of the stones, kill a few main characters and then the 2nd film is about protecting those and finding a way to kill him. I thought that if he got all 6, and carried out his plan, the 2nd film would have to basically "but nah" the first and basically undercut any emotional impact.

I feel like I was spot on.

When Loki gets got, even though my friend and I agreed he would die to set the "tone" of the film, I still had a "Holy ****!" moment. Ok, ****'s real now. People are going to get got. Then...nothing much happens. Gamora's death was still during the "ok, this is dark" phase of the movie, so that's a positive, but even that was undercut by an out-of-nowhere Redskull cameo.

After Gamora's death, the movie just too a progressively less serious tone. Once Thanos had the Time Stone, two things were obvious:

1) Dr. Strange knew that "losing" was the only way to win and Avengers 4 is 100% going to be called Avengers: Endgame

2) Nothing mattered. Everything was getting undone so there's no reason to get emotionally invested in anyone.

That was brought to a low point with the final sequence. The screenwriters had a chance to save it by killing the old hands. Let Stark and Cap fade away, along with Banner and Widow. Whatever you do, don't "kill off" characters who's goddamn films have already been announced. It completely ruins the emotional connection to the plot and basically guarantees the next movie is just a magical rewind.

Sam Jackson's "Motherf..." was great but the fact that they're tying in Capt. Marvel is pretty silly to me. This was supposed to be the blowoff of the last 10 years and instead we get "Just kidding, we've got a few more characters to solve this for you".

I enjoyed the film for what it was, a fun popcorn movie with a bunch of different colored lasers and explosions. The story was predictable and a victim of character bloat, but the actors in general did a fantastic job. Spiderman's death scene was incredible, I just wish it would've meant something.
Really should've taken TheDarkKnight's bet:

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Lol. I’ll take action against Avengers: Endgame as the next title. That would get laughed out the building.
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12-07-2018 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Creed II

Decent. It can't match the magic of the last movie, and it's really just a mash-up of all the other Rocky movies, but it's still worth seeing. Stallone wrote and produced it, and he has said this is Rocky's last hurrah, and it's a fitting end for that beloved character.

The most interesting parts of the movie have to do with the Dragos...the MVPs of this movie is Dolph Lundgren and the actor who plays his son, Florian Munteanu. Young Drago doesn't talk except for a pivotal scene between he and his father. I'm not sure what it says that the villains are the more interesting characters, bu they are.

Solid B
Finally got around to seeing this. Was a little let down by Caple's fighting scenes relative to what Coogler did in the first one. It's fitting that what is a sequel to Rocky IV should have a step back in fight choreography.

Totally agree that the Dragos were the most interesting part of it, but I think that's a positive for the film as a whole. I loved that by the end I was less concerned with what happened to Creed and more concerned with what the outcome of the fight would be for Drago.

Agree with the grade as well. Thought it was fun, and for boxing fans the story was done believable (outside of two smaller guys pretending to be HWs).

One thing that miffed me a bit, but maybe I missed it:
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They really missed a chance for RJJ to go off defending Drago after that low blow, or at least to spend the next 30 minutes relating it back to him
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12-07-2018 , 08:11 PM
Why is Iron Man floating in space without food and water? Am I not remembering something from the last film?
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12-07-2018 , 08:28 PM
Widows was excellent, one of the best movies I've seen this year. A colleague got the utterly mistaken impression from the trailer that this is a feminist, girl-power film, but Ocean's 12 this ain't. There's a constant sense of intensity and impending doom, as these women are driven to desperate action due to having guns to their heads.

At the risk of sounding like a tedious hipster, I did get the feeling when watching this that it was directed by someone who really understands his craft. There are so many varied, well-executed scenes. The opening sequence, which juxtaposes scenes of a happy couple with a violent heist gone wrong, was just thrillingly effective.
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12-07-2018 , 09:12 PM
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Why is Iron Man floating in space without food and water? Am I not remembering something from the last film?
yeah, I thought he got wiped out with the others
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12-07-2018 , 09:25 PM
Nope. He was left on the other planet by himself.

You don't remember the spiderman dying in Tony's arms scene?
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12-07-2018 , 09:27 PM
I knew Tony survived, but I didn't remember him being apart from the others. Now I do remember Spiderkid dying though - I think they were on an alien ship together.
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12-07-2018 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Nope. He was left on the other planet by himself.

You don't remember the spiderman dying in Tony's arms scene?
eh, sort of
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12-07-2018 , 09:59 PM
They were on Titan, where they fought Thanos. The Guardians took Thor to get his new axe/hammer and they fought in Wakanda back at Earth. If I remember correctly
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12-07-2018 , 10:55 PM
The Big Sleep is such a classic. Bogart and Bacall, Chandler and Faulkner. Pure class all the way.
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12-08-2018 , 12:34 AM
I love that movie so much
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12-08-2018 , 05:59 AM
Is this First Man movie worth my 2 bucks? I liked that guy's previous 2 movies, the drummer one and the LA musical, but I also remember Neil Armstrong the astronaut being just about the most boring man evaa. I'm not sure I can sit thru 2 hours of that.
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12-08-2018 , 08:18 AM
it has great reviews, but IMO it's good, not great. it's not quite your standard zzz oscar bait like the imitation game, but sadly it's not that far off - the movie never really seems to catch fire. i'm not an enormous la la land fan, but i would still say this is the weakest of the three you listed.

but yes it's worth $2.
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12-08-2018 , 08:40 AM
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it has great reviews, but IMO it's good, not great. it's not quite your standard zzz oscar bait like the imitation game, but sadly it's not that far off - the movie never really seems to catch fire. i'm not an enormous la la land fan, but i would still say this is the weakest of the three you listed.

but yes it's worth $2.
Agreed.
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12-08-2018 , 12:54 PM
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The Big Sleep is such a classic. Bogart and Bacall, Chandler and Faulkner. Pure class all the way.
Elisha Cook, Jr.

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I love that movie so much
Easily my favorite of all time. I've watched this movie more often than any other. It used to bother me a little that it made no sense, but now I think it just adds to the whole experience.

If I'm at home, and I've got something important that needs to be done, and it's brought to my attention that Big Sleep is on TCM, well -- somebody's going to have to wait a couple of hours.

How do I take my brandy? In a glass.
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12-08-2018 , 02:52 PM
The best thing about The Big Sleep is that every time I watch it's like seeing a brand new movie because it makes no real sense. You remember scenes but have no idea what may happen next. It's always a mystery to me. Even immediately after I watch it I can't really describe it.
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12-08-2018 , 04:18 PM
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The best thing about The Big Sleep is that every time I watch it's like seeing a brand new movie because it makes no real sense. You remember scenes but have no idea what may happen next. It's always a mystery to me. Even immediately after I watch it I can't really describe it.
Which seems to be the usual critical appraisal. But I love it too.
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12-08-2018 , 05:57 PM
My favorite story about The Big Sleep is how, in the middle of shooting it, no one could figure out who killed the Chauffeur, so they called up Chandler and asked him. He didn't know, either.
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12-08-2018 , 06:19 PM
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12-08-2018 , 06:23 PM
My favorite Christmas movie:




Contains the best Christmas scene ever:



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12-08-2018 , 06:40 PM
If you look at Chinatown Screenpoint 144 (Exterior Courtyard Veranda -- Gittes & Cross at Breakfast) et seq., you'll see how much the Big Sleep Bogart & Bacall first encounter scene influenced others.
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12-08-2018 , 08:05 PM
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Elisha Cook, Jr.
So great, and also the guy who plays the gangster Canino just nails it.

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How do I take my brandy? In a glass.
So many great lines courtesy of Chandler. Having recently read the book, It's sort of amazing to me they were able to make a movie script of it that's faithful to the source material, given that nudity, pornography, and homosexuality are all central to the plot of the book.

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The best thing about The Big Sleep is that every time I watch it's like seeing a brand new movie because it makes no real sense.
I think there's a few things that didn't translate well because of all the stuff they weren't allowed to put in a movie. It's sort of confusing why the kid wants to avenge the death of the porn distributor guy.
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12-09-2018 , 08:16 AM
The Big Sleep's plot is border-line incomprehensible, but the chemistry between Bogart and Bacall and the cracking dialogue more than make up for it. The script really is excellent in that regard; humour generally dates badly yet 70 years later, it's still so funny.
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12-09-2018 , 08:54 AM
Whew. I thought I was the only one who thought the movie made no sense.
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12-09-2018 , 10:30 AM
I've never seen any of The Big Sleep, but watching that YouTube clip above, I wouldn't be able to stand it. It doesn't bother you guys that the dialogue and interaction is so obviously staged? It has the feel of a high school play to me—obviously memorized lines given at a quick-patter pace, trying their hardest to exude wit and style. It's like a distant forerunner to Sorkin's scripts, which also cause me to eye roll so much I can hardly watch the screen.
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