Hmm

Daniel Craig's stormtrooper name was JB007

clever

From slashfilm:

I can buy this as a plausible explanation for Finn. Stormtroopers would be trained with weapons other than blasters.

The only tiny nit I would have with this is him doing or obtaining something he knew would bring First Order attention to the planet.

A fairly complete list of unanswered questions:

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-t...ens-questions/

I just saw the movie and the main impression I got is that it's basically a mad libs of the first movie. Replace Luke with Rey, Tattoine with Jakku, R2D2 with BB-88, Obi-Wan with Han Solo, the map for the death star plans, the Empire with the First Order, the Rebellion with the Resistance, etc. etc. etc.

It was definitely a well made movie though and had some cool moments, most were nostalgia based though. Hopefully in the sequels they'll start to chart their own territory.

Also, what is the resistance exactly? Are they the army of the new republic? A mercenary army? And it seems like the resistance is actually the empire since they're fighting for the new republic (which is the replacement for the empire) and the first order is actually the rebellion since they're fighting against the powers that be.

They specifically made a point of demonstrating the power of Chewie's weapon several times throughout the movie and Kylo Ren takes a direct hit.

Like I said in my original post in here...history repeats itself. Ever heard of that saying? Thats why it can follow the same outline as A New Hope and still be new and can still work...which it did!

It was fun. It had great new characters. It was nostalgic. And it was packed with action. What more do you people want out of a movie? Just like paid critics, all of you nitpick every little thing and are wound to tight for living.

And whoever said anyone over 40 didnt like it, well, I am 40 and I enjoyed it. Hell, I even dont hate the prequels. Yes, they arent as good as the original, but there was plenty to like in those as well for me. People bitch about Jar Jar (yes, not my favorite character either) but go back and watch Yodas first appearance in Empire Strikes Back and he is an annoying little Jim Henson style puppet rooting around in Lukes food and junk. Really listen and look at him. I bet if he was in this new movie as a new character, you all would rip Yoda to shreds....I guarantee it.

This universe wasnt created for grown ups, this was created for kids. Us 40 year olds were kids when this came out. The Force Awakens took me back to that time, it felt like those movies, it was so much better than the crap they put out nowadays for kids with all the overdone CGI crap that has no story and no heart, and hell, every thing nowadays is a reboot from when I was a kid because obviously all the good stuff came out then because they cant make anything original anymore.

My son loved it, and it put a smile on his face and he is all hyped about Star Wars now, and to see that in his eyes reminded me how I felt when I saw the original trilogy when I was young, and if that is the case....then The Force Awakens is a slam dunk winner...period!

well I saw it again, this time at a theater that actually turned up the volume. Loved it this time. I think it being different than my expectations really impacted my first experience. Stand by the death star rehash being kind of lame, but Han was actually really good - I stand corrected there. Rey / Finn / Poe / Kylo are all fantastic characters.

I really agree with this statement (I'm 44 and saw IV, V, and VI in the theater). I don't get why there's so much hate for the movie in this thread. It was a total home run for Disney and the future of the franchise. Even though it's not a reboot, it very much played as one. I think a good analogy is Batman Begins. A big purpose of that movie was to make people forget how far off the rails the Batman franchise went to the point that it killed the franchise. This did that for those who had a lot of issues with I, II, and III. Plus it had the added bonus of feeling like the original movies in a vastly superior playback system. Those who were adults when Star Wars came out and think it was a vastly superior experience to this are just plain losing their memory, and have romanticized that original experience to the detriment of this one.

I think it's quite interesting that those that have the most "hate" for the movie are ones who thought it started out great. I thought it started out weak, and it wasn't until the MF reveal and that great chase that I got invested in the movie. Shuffle's issues with the editing are weird. Nothing stuck out as bad about it to me, and it's a craft I'm very aware of and pay attention to when it's annoying. Maybe he was sitting too close to the screen or something or was looking up at it. I personally thought the weakest part of the movie was the mix. There were many decisions I didn't agree with, especially the placement of the sound in a lot of scenes with BB-8. You completely lose realism of the character by giving it this weird stereo/surround sound. Just make it sound like it's in the same place as the person talking. There were a lot of similar weird choices like with Kylo's voice under the mask vs. his mask off performance (not sure which was done first).

I don't really have any comment on the Williams' score because I was absorbed enough in the movie to not have it impact me in any meaningful way. Just realize the music was wall to wall, and unlike someone else who thought it harmed the movie, I completely disagree. It just didn't enhance the movie like the best John Williams scores do.

I thought it was a great experience in the theater overall, and think that's where it should be seen first. I can pretty much guarantee Shuffle wouldn't be bothered by the editing on a small screen (one place where editing pace really stands out is on the big screen if it's too fast paced). I'm planning on seeing it at least one more time in the coming weeks (plan on viewing the technical more critically other than what already took me out of the movie vs. just the experience of wanting to see the movie the first time without expectations), and expect the experience will be even better as I avoided literally anything about the movie since I heard about it being done (other than knowing Han, Leia, and Luke would be reprised).

I thought almost every reveal was A+ in how it was handled. The movie was predictable, but I thought they made all of the best choices in nearly every situation. We don't know much about Rey, but if you look what she did in the mind control scene and don't have a problem with that, I don't understand how anyone can have a problem with the battle. She proved she had better force usage in a different environment. If you can believe that, you should be able to believe anything else, in addition to the fact that Kylo was injured very badly. 100 percent, she's not going to be able to do what she did to him, but at 50/60/70, considering she already "beat" him when he was at 100 percent she has a chance at the outcome she did. Think about the Harry Potter movies, Harry is presented very similarly to Rey, and did all kinds of things that no one else had been able to do without any real training. It should have been easy for the audience to suspend any disbelief for that scene. I don't know why it's such a big deal. I feel like a lot of the people who hated scenes like that wanted their own expectations for the film met, and when it didn't turn out how they wanted they thought it sucked. It was just a really good movie, and was one of the best experiences I've had in the theater in a long time, something I absolutely could not say about Phantom Menace when I saw it.

I fully expect the next one will do away with the nostalgia and getting back to the roots (to help us forget I, II, and III's sterilized filmmaking) and go in a direction that even the hardest hearted fan will love now that they don't have to serve the old story anymore and have put the basic building blocks in place for how the rest will be done. Again, this movie was a home run for Disney, no matter what you thought of it, and it very easily could have been a massive disaster.

Best explanation I read was that the First Order is basically the remnants of the Empire that signed a peace treaty with the Republic after ROTJ. The Resistance is like a terrorist/freedom fighter group within the borders of the FO and secretly backed by the Republic.

http://hellogiggles.com/theory-rey-star-wars/2/

This might be an unpopular opinion, but let me preface it by saying I loved Han in this movie and even at his age Harrison Ford still stole the show. But that kind of leads me into my problem - should Ford being stealing the show?

....There's almost....too much Han, no? I mean I was hoping this story would be more about the next generation of characters right, but Ford is actually a main character (interestingly enough he actually has star billing and it's the first time he's had higher billing than Jedi-characters iirc).

Anyway I still loved Han scenes and loved that he was involved, I don't really know why I'm rambling, maybe someone else agrees with me

The reason the Star Wars, Star Trek and even Harry Potter universes are so successful is that they are created for kids and grown-ups.

The main reason that I walked out of the theater unsatisfied was there was no "wow" or "that was so cool scene". All the other Star wars movies had these types of moments. Even JJ's Star Trek reboots had these moments. I didn't need a Star Wars family reunion film, I needed a new great storyline where the old gang had smaller roles.

I think this is all understood but like, IMO, the standards adults on 2p2 are holding this movie to are not consistent with the original trilogy. Or even Harry Potter.

Which is a great example: that whole fourth Harry Potter book, The Goblet of Fire, all 700 pages, is completely asinine. There is no reason for any of the things to happen. 700 pages are dedicated to concocting this huge event, the Triwizard tournament, played out dramatically over the entire book, just so Harry can touch a thing that sends him to Voldemort. The scheme is hatched by a guy who is already in disguise and spends tons of time alone with Harry and could get Harry to touch a thing anytime he wanted.

Also in the 3rd story, we also discover you can travel back in time and despite the fact this would have been incredibly useful like dozens of times afterwards in the saga, no one bothers with it.

Also, turns out there's a map Fred and George have where you can see Peter Pettigrew's name on it but for years this never bothered them at all, despite the fact he was presumably sleeping with their brother.

In the 7th book, it turns out that wand's loyalties can change if you disarm a wizard and take their wand, a plot point not mentioned at all in the first 6 installments when wands were disarmed and their wands taken multiple times.

I mean I think most of us, when we see this, are just like, welp, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, children's story and you enjoy it for what it is. And it is enjoyable!

In this movie, for reasons, it's like Rey was too strong with a light saber too soon, REVULSION.

I mean I get it, I think criticism is fun and fine but if you compare this movie to the original trilogy or to franchises like Harry Potter, the same failings and flaws are present.

Midas, you almost make it sound like you think the movie industry isn't a for profit business. Others have said it, but when a big studio pays a mint to take over a franchise they aren't gonna take any big chances. They knew what they wanted to do with the next movie when they bought the franchise, and JJ Abrams delivered what they (and what they knew most of the audience) wanted. $4B is probably the very low end of the box office projection of a trilogy WW. If they do it right, they could easily get close to double that. Disney didn't buy the franchise to break even, because it would be "cool" for them to have the property. They did it because they like money, and have always been good at delivering "magic" to audiences. You went in with a certain expectation, and were disappointed. That's okay, you'll be in the minority on that forever.

Grunch.

I thought the film was bad. Basically rewriting the laws of Star Wars. Lol at some random girl beating the insecure sith

You can not like certain aspects of the Harry Potter storylines but they are all JKR's visions as she completely controls the HP universe.

IMO, Lucas would not have started a new post RotJ storyline the way Disney/JJ did. I totally understand that Disney had to be more commercial and mainstream with Awakens but I don't have to like it.

Goofy dialogue and Jar Jar aside, the Prequels gave the Star Wars universe depth and history that was missing in IV-VI. Thus in reality, the Prequels were Lucas' pure vision of the Star Wars universe.

I would love to know the actual ticket sales (not box office) of Awakens vs. Hope when all the results are in.

But if you walked out, you do not know that there wasn't any of those scenes - ducy?

He is not a Sith

Also I've seen the theory floating around that Rey is a descendant (probably granddaughter) of Obi-Wan (presumably grandaughter of Satine of Mandalore)

I really hope this is not the case for several reasons

All of the prequels are underrated. Out of the originals, The last hope and The Empire Strikes back are great films but Return of the Jedi is as bad, if not worse than The Phantom Menace.

You knew what I meant and you should have corrected me instead of stating the obvious.

I walked out of the theater at the end of the movie not the middle lol.

You're right though. I was disappointed that there was no big "wow" moment or incredible type creature. The closest it came were those things on Hans freighter but you never even really got a good look at them. We didn't get the big nasty creature scene that is typical.

Yeah, they sure knew all right - another freaking death star.

I can just see the rebels now: "What? Not this crap again? Okay, okay ... lets go and bust the shield generators, and then, hey, I knoiw, lets look for the weak spot that nobody thought of not having this time seeing as we blew up the last two with exactly the same strategy ..."

Or we could imagine the evil semi-nazi dark side overlords: "Okay, so vee ave built another death stars. Zis vone as costs us a really terribles amounts of money. Is everyzings okay zis time?"

"Ja, ja. Vee are certains zat zee orrible rebels vill not be able to destroys it zis time."

"So, no veak spot then?"

"Veak spot?"

"Aven't you read zee goddam histories, man?!"

"Commander, I must complain. I feel zat you are using your privilege to arrass me. Zis vill not end here!"

Yeah, there's a lot of space between "the movie is terrible" and "the death star plotting was lazy" sentiment. I enjoyed the movie quite a bit, and think it was lazy too. I mean, I don't think the OT is the best thing ever, either. They are very good movies. Nor do I think the prequels were terrible. Not as good, but still okay, although I haven't seen them since theatrical release. I wanted TFA to be BETTER than any of the other Star Wars movies. It certainly could've been.