- Lots of stuff DaveT is writing comes off as Reddit/MRA.

- Probably wouldn't be in favor of changing text in Huck Finn.

- Fine with adaptations changing things. I have little to no interest in direct adaptations of things I've already read or seen.

Contradictions? Moi?
A female only audience is much different case than No Males allowed to see this movie. Separate but Equal is fine sometimes.
As for WW's original intent, it's was cheesecake for male viewing pleasure. Are we sure the creators are fine with it's re-casting as a feminist statement?

I'm sure the Bull sculptor has legal rights. But selling the work vs. loaning it to be exhibited is huge in my opinion. If he put no conditions on it's display in the sale, I have no sympathy for him.

While i sympathize with the sculptor, the city is entirely within its rights to put up the girl statue.

In hindsight it would be a good thing to put conditions on displaying your art. But I feel that there is an unspoken agreement that if you display someone's art you should show respect and not allow another artwork to be next to it mocking it. I think the people of Manhattan and the art community as a whole should stand up for the Charging Bull creator. It comes back to Dominic's initial question: What is our responsibility to showcase an artist's work as initially intended? I think our responsibility is huge. If the city can't show respect for a piece of art, take it down and give it back to the artist. Don't leave it in place and let other artists alter the meaning of it. That's just my opinion.

WW Film: I think a woman's audience only is dumb and wonder what we'll see next.

Good post Katy.

You bring up an interesting point. Should ownership rights make special distinctions for art?

If i were to buy an intricate cake then proceed to throw it in the dumpster, should I be penalized?

Dude, what are you talking about. You are doing everything you started this post accusing me of doing. You've misrepresented every single thing I said in this post. Firstly I included harrasment and stalking in my original list, not only out right rape. Secondly you seem to be using the stictest possible definition of rape that you can.

Regardless my post didn't say anything about the frequency at which women are actually raped, just that many of them live in fear of harrasment, stalking and rape on a daily basis. It's not up to you as a man to decide whether or not you feel that fear is legitimate, it's up to them as women to tell you if they feel it is.


As for the Alamo Theater, I don't need to know it well, I simply asked you if there were any other theaters nearby you that had Wonder Woman playing for both genders. I don't need to know anything about the Alamo in order to ask you that question.

And finally I never said that everyone posting so far was a white male, I said it was majority white male, with the none white non male percentage being a very small one.

You started your post accusing me of intentionally misrepresenting your words in the past, which I never did, and then proceed to do the exact same thing to my words.

If you don't want to have a real discussion that's fine man, but just say that outright, all these attempts to dodge and mislead...Simply absurd and immature.

Would putting a statue with a huge dong (or some similarly phallic art piece) next to David make it any less a masterpiece? Reflects on the exhibitor not the work of art.

If time reveals a perspective that the artist never intended or envisioned, I think it's fair game for another artist to point that out with their own creation. But to alter the original artwork is not kosher to me.

This is a great point, Katy. I agree with you...but when does public art become, well, "the public's?" The artist of the Fearless Girl obviously saw something in the Charging Bull that was not intended...and she reacted to it. Artistically! Ironically, that's part of what makes art great - the public can interpret it any way they want.

Didn't the artist of the Charging Bull just plop it down there without permission? The city didn't buy it or request it....it was a gift (if I remember correctly)

The Fearless Girl is a response to the Bull - to an interpretation the Charging Bull Artist didn't intend.

It's an interesting conundrum....

I am on the side of the Albee Estate that a non-white actor in the role of Nick changes the play considerably, just as taking out the N-word from Hucklberry Finn does.

But at the same time, on the side of The Fearless Girl...we as the audience as the right to interpret art in any way we see fit.

Perhaps you are right but personally I think putting any statue next to David would make it less of a masterpiece no matter what type of statue it is. You could put a statue of a bull or a hot girl next to David and it would detract from the original art because you put it too damn close to David. Give the statue the space it deserves, that's what I say. Art should be respected. It should not be a welcome invitation to anyone with an idea to go ahead and use the statue up close and personal for their own fun and agenda.

I am on the fence about the Albee estate mainly because it is the estate and not Albee himself.

A Raisin in the Sun with a white actor in the role of Walter would be a little confusing

David Allen Coe sang "working like a ******" one of his songs.
I like the song.
Am I racist?

I remember when I was in college in Florida, there was this redneck bar with a jukebox, and one of the songs on it was David Allen Coe's My Wife Ran Off With a N-Word.

I dont remember ever being more shocked and mortified in my life when someone played it.

There is a very popular soap opera called Eastenders in the UK, which has been running for many years, and is set in a fictitious part of a real place, i.e. the East End of London. This is the cast:



This is the ethnic demographic of the East End:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London...s#Demographics

I think they should either get more Bangladeshis on the show, or move its location out to Essex. Otherwise it paints a racist fantasy that the East End is still a mostly white area.

Dom, don't remember that one, but that would probably make everyone uncomfortable...

Here is a question, asked out of curiosity. Mount Rushmore is one of the top icons of the USA, but is it considered there to be tarnished by that Gutzon Borglum was somewhat into the KKK?

Nah. First off nobody ever heard of that guy. Plus it was decades ago, almost a century. You can't put 2017 sensibilities on history. Two of the guys honored on that rock (Washington and Jefferson) owned a whole bunch of slaves. Then and now are two totally different things.

It's a difficult name to remember even if you have heard of him.

Maybe my question could apply to the great icons of anywhere. I have little idea which would be preferable out of servitude to George Washington or the British aristocracy.

My friend came up with an interesting perspective about the whole WW thing. It's "okay," but the risk is, after all the years of progress, you end up becoming the very thing you fought against in your history.

He doesn't believe the comic book creators would want this to happen.

The original ideas and themes from the comic book are interesting...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willia...n#Wonder_Woman

I'm guessing Marston wouldn't approve of the idea of a woman-only night, as it would be a tad difficult to have an erotic sensation with a man if he is not present.

If That Ain't Country, great song! True story of his Texas upbringing. He's great, the real deal. Coe put the outlaw into outlaw country.

This is the typical white male libertarian talking point (also seen in "anti-PC liberals" like Bill Maher) popular in such fantastic nerd culture works of art like the video game BioShock: Infinite, which argues that really the black slaves who violently revolt are just as evil as their white masters had been.

I'd be furious if I was the bull sculptor. Something he worked on and was very proud of has been co-opted and made into a symbol of oppression, which I'm sure he never intended.

Does this matter -

Fearless Girl was commissioned by investment firm State Street Global Advisors (SSgA) as an advertisement for an index fund