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Old 07-28-2014, 06:32 PM   #51
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In The Rock, when Connery rolls through the flames to open the door and let them in, he had the timing of the flames memorized from when he escaped. Well when he escaped why didn't he just use the door??
He got out of his cell via the door. He still had to get out of the prison and off the ****ing island.





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Ocean's Twelve: Why do they have to put on "a very elaborate show," planning a way to steal the egg from the museum, getting caught by the police so Matt Damon's mom has to break them out of prison, WHEN THEY'D ALREADY STOLEN THE EGG DAYS AGO. As soon as they had the egg and the Night Fox had escrowed the money, why didn't they just say, "OK, Night Fox, we won—we have the egg. GG"?
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I hear ya, but it IS a Bond movie, so you need a massive amount of suspension of disbelief to enjoy it, and therefore all your points are things that you should just ignore. If this was a Bourne movie, I'll grant you that the characters should be logical, but it's not. it's Bond….James Bond.
This is very dumb. Most of the movies dont rely on Bond acting like a complete idiot. His plan to keep M safe was stupid, and whats more skyfall is the first movie where Bond fails his primary mission.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:02 PM   #52
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He got out of his cell via the door. He still had to get out of the prison and off the ****ing island.
Try using your brain before you respond. I don't remember this movie, so I won't comment, but this guy isn't talking about his cell door. He's saying when he broke out years ago, he opened his cell door, went through the flame thing, left the island. But breaking back in, went through the flame thing, then OPENED SOME OTHER DOOR FOR HIS ASSOCIATES. Why didn't he just use that other door when breaking out? I'm guessing it was guarded or something.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:07 PM   #53
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Try using your brain before you respond. I don't remember this movie, so I won't comment, but this guy isn't talking about his cell door. He's saying when he broke out years ago, he opened his cell door, went through the flame thing, left the island. But breaking back in, went through the flame thing, then OPENED SOME OTHER DOOR FOR HIS ASSOCIATES. Why didn't he just use that other door when breaking out? I'm guessing it was guarded or something.
You really answered your own point in the last sentence. Its not a plot hole if it has a very simple and reasonable explanation.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:44 PM   #54
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You really answered your own point in the last sentence. Its not a plot hole if it has a very simple and reasonable explanation.
I'm not the guy who asked the question. Again, use your brain before posting—it makes the forums better.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:48 PM   #55
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About Mia Wallace and the snorting of the heroin:

It was in a baggie, not a balloon so she thought it was coke. Stoltz even says, "I'm out of balloons, how about a baggie?"
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Old 07-28-2014, 11:16 PM   #56
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About Mia Wallace and the snorting of the heroin:

It was in a baggie, not a balloon so she thought it was coke. Stoltz even says, "I'm out of balloons, how about a baggie?"
Perfect... that makes total sense.
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Old 07-29-2014, 01:02 AM   #57
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because there different chemicals that go through a long process to reach the final product coke smells almost like petrol.
Never done coke but i have smelled it quite a few times lol
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:05 AM   #58
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I always use the end of Speed as this example. Subway throttle gets damaged and no longer works, so Keanu can't use it to slow the train down. However when he decides to jump the tracks, he just pushes the throttle forward to speed up the train.

Also lol at Keanu mistaking Sandra Bullock for Dennis Hopper from 10 feet away.
I never believed that Jack would let Sandra Bullock drive the bus. He would have definitely been behind the wheel. If not from the beginning, definitely after Bullock tried to stop for a red light and he had to push her foot down to keep the bus moving.
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:02 AM   #59
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Raiders of the Lost Ark

Indy attaches his whip to a sub and rides along to the Ark island. If the sub stays surfaced, he dies from exposure, and if the sub dives (I believe they imply that it does) then he drowns.

Edit: I looked into it and apparently him attaching his whip to the sub is from a deleted scene. In the actual movie, he swims onto the sub while it is surfaced, then there is a montage of the sub going to the island, the beginning of which involves the sub diving. So how does he survive being hitched to an underwater sub?

Terminator 2

How did the T-1000 go back in time if it is all metal? They said in Terminator 1 that only flesh can go through, but the T-800 was able because it was metal covered in flesh. Did they upgrade their time travel technology in between the two films? And when did they send the T-1000 back? Kyle Reese says in T1 that the humans had won the war and they were only sending back Arnold as a last ditch effort. Did they send him back, then when nothing changed immediately decided to send back another robot to a different time?

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Old 07-29-2014, 08:59 AM   #60
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Terminator 2

How did the T-1000 go back in time if it is all metal? They said in Terminator 1 that only flesh can go through, but the T-800 was able because it was metal covered in flesh. Did they upgrade their time travel technology in between the two films? And when did they send the T-1000 back? Kyle Reese says in T1 that the humans had won the war and they were only sending back Arnold as a last ditch effort. Did they send him back, then when nothing changed immediately decided to send back another robot to a different time?
I never understood why they didnt just send back 50 terminators to kill sarah/john conner
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One of my favourite Sci-Fi movies The Abyss

How do they swim outside the the main Platform 1000s of feet under the sea without being crushed under the immense pressures they would be dead in seconds
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One of my favourite Sci-Fi movies The Abyss

How do they swim outside the the main Platform 1000s of feet under the sea without being crushed under the immense pressures they would be dead in seconds
exactly... they could not.

sometimes Cameron's stuff, while awesome on first viewing, really begins to fall apart.
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:21 PM   #63
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You really answered your own point in the last sentence. Its not a plot hole if it has a very simple and reasonable explanation.
You clearly don't remember the scene very well. The door and the opening to the flame tunnel are right next to each other. A door guard would've seen him.
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:24 PM   #64
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I never understood why they didnt just send back 50 terminators to kill sarah/john conner
Skynet, or AI in general, probably thinks in terms of efficiency. It's also possible it realized the more it sends back, the greater chance they get exposed and it risks changing the timeline to its own detriment. I think in the movie they explained it was a last-minute desperation attempt, so I guess there just wasn't enough time to send more.
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:30 PM   #65
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Terminator 2

How did the T-1000 go back in time if it is all metal? They said in Terminator 1 that only flesh can go through, but the T-800 was able because it was metal covered in flesh. Did they upgrade their time travel technology in between the two films? And when did they send the T-1000 back? Kyle Reese says in T1 that the humans had won the war and they were only sending back Arnold as a last ditch effort. Did they send him back, then when nothing changed immediately decided to send back another robot to a different time?
Yeah that never got explained. Maybe if it's in human form it gets registered as flesh? It's probably composed of something that doesn't exist yet and may be outside what is prohibited from traveling (it's not just a blob of mercury).

Regarding the second point - it may not be canon, but The Sarah Connor Chronicles explained that as alternate timelines, in a fairly plausible way IMO.
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:31 PM   #66
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Or all of that Terminator stuff could just come down to this

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Old 07-29-2014, 12:50 PM   #67
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Terminator falls apart logically very quickly, but it's just an action flick anyway. What are the chances Arnold and Reese both end up going back at the same date and time? Why doesn't AI send an army? Or terminators to multiple different time periods. Why don't they keep sending terminators back over and over again until one finally gets the job done?

Anyway, in GF2 the "Michael Corleone says hello" line always bothered me too. That's not a fake hit; it was a plot hole. Coppolla had a lot of trouble with the script (I think Pacino gave it back to him and said it was totally unusable) so you'll notice other parts where the audience is lead via out of place exposition, like the scene where Fredo gets a call in the middle of the night, which gives away who the traitor is. I've always wondered, would the climax when Michael finds out about Fredo have been more or less effective without knowing ahead of time?

Also in Star Wars, there aren't any seat belts in the Millenium Falcon, but it always seems to spin and flip upside down.
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Anyway, in GF2 the "Michael Corleone says hello" line always bothered me too. That's not a fake hit; it was a plot hole. Coppolla had a lot of trouble with the script (I think Pacino gave it back to him and said it was totally unusable) so you'll notice other parts where the audience is lead via out of place exposition, like the scene where Fredo gets a call in the middle of the night, which gives away who the traitor is. I've always wondered, would the climax when Michael finds out about Fredo have been more or less effective without knowing ahead of time?
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Some Interesting stuff. I never believed the hit wag botched on purpose i mean it turned into mayhem.

Would be great to watch the movie the movie for the first time without the johnny Oala/fredo night time conversation so you find out Fredo is the traitor at the same point as Michael does in Cuba
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Terminator:

I believe Reece says that Skynet finished the time machine and sent back the terminator just as they were being destroyed by the human resistance. So presumably, they only had time to send back one terminator.

The humans took over the time machine, and John Connor knew through his mother that he only had to send back one guy (and which guy to send) and on what date/time to send him back.


I don't remember if T2 has an explanation for how the hell Skynet managed to develop and send back the T1000 if it had already been destroyed.
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Old 07-29-2014, 05:04 PM   #70
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Not really a plot hole but why didn't the guys in The Godfather that Sonny beat up in the street just realize his punches were not even hitting them? I don't think the movie changes that much, but why did they play along with his near punches?
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:43 PM   #71
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lol at not having enough time to use your timemachine to send back enough killer robots.

you could just go back in time a week and then have a whole week to send back as many robots as you want
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Old 07-29-2014, 08:09 PM   #72
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If you go back a week, then the time machine isn't finished yet.
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Any kind of time travel movie is inherently going to have huge plot holes that you just have to go along with. It's just something you have to deal with when the movie's premise is a logical impossibility.
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Don't we know time travel is impossible since we would know if someone from the future had invented time travel already?

Or was it so far in the future that they had no reason to come back this far into the past due to lack of interest in our primitive ways?
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