As a big fan of both the Bourne and Lord of the Rings books, I saw the first movie of each series and found them both so terrible I didn't watch a second.

I mean ya you need to go on cuz u haven't named a franchise better than the Bourne films yet.

lmao harry potter n LOTR.

lol, I assumed you were joking at first, but the spirited follow-up defense of Bourne is just blowing my mind. The Godfather, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Terminator, Batman, Man With No Name, Back to the Future, just to name a few more. I mean everyone's entitled to their opinion and it's fine if you like that generic shaky-cam action tripe, but to call it the greatest film franchise of all time and act incredulous that anyone would disagree is one of the most absurd things I've ever seen posted here. Only one of those four films even mustered an imdb rating above 8, and for good reason.

Lol bond and it's like 5 good films out of 30 attempts

meh godfather 3 and indiana Jones 4 immediately remove both from any consideration in GOAT franchise.

and this is coming from someone who loves 2 of the 4 indiana Jones films and obv 2/3 godfather films are elite.

I think the closest competitor to Bourne is the back to the future films but they are a little to decisive imo to be considered GOAT tho they are awesome.

but lol at batman and the terminator (you realize there are more than 2 in that franchise right?) and while I can't really comment on star wars as I've never seen any of them, judging by your other submissions I'm going to feel pretty confident in my position.

but clearly your just anti Bourne if ur gonna try and dismiss them as just generic shaky cam action films.

they are absolutely elite.

also hard to take someone serious who is trying to use imdb to judge a film.

anyways I shouldn't have derailed the thread, this debate is silly as film is subjective and there isn't really anything to be gained by arguing over rankings.

to each his own.

I personally love the Bourne films with all my heart and can recite all 4 from memory (not line by line but def scene by scene).

and they get way less credit than they deserve as they are way more intelligent and clever than 99% of action films.

the Gilroy brothers are insanely talented and every movie they are involved with are elite, and I just really hope this 5th installment doesn't suffer massively from their departure.

The Bourne Legacy automatically disqualifies the bourne franchise.

Obviously the answer is Star Wars. Since the prequels are not considered part of the Star Wars franchise by fans.

LOL at RBK never seeing a Star Wars film.

A true WTF moment

Lol, immediately disqualifying any franchise because of the worst film in it. Peak matters. Also lol, completely dismissing anything you just don't like or haven't seen, despite near universal acclaim (which imdb ratings are a reasonable shorthand for). It's ok, I have sentimental feelings for a lot of mediocre films from my childhood too, but I'm not foolish enough to declare them GOAT and expect a lot of agreement.

White Men Can't Jump GOAT

That is definitely a great franchise, one of my personal favorites.

I'm not sure if I like the 2nd or 3rd film in it more, it's close I think.

That whole scene in Madrid was really poorly executed. If you came back to your office and found two guys on the floor, wouldn't you have like 100x more urgency than Julia Stiles when talking to David Strathairn ("uh, they're unconscious...but...alive"). Why did he even do the codeword response thing?

I agree Bourne Legacy is underrated. It's super rewatchable, and not just for the action setpieces. Ed Norton delivering all that Tony Gilroy techspeak dialog is a lot of fun, the scenes with Oscar Isaac really crackle, and the Rachel Weisz performance really shines.

Also when discussing better film franchises, there's definitely Mad Max.

lol at not thinking having a god awful universally despised film in your franchise DOESN'T disqualify it from GOAT contention.
ur clearly not interested in honest debate, and lol of all your examples which are easily dismissed I only have to seen one, and sorry I just have a hard time believing a corny sci fi trilogy from the 80's is gonna be that great.

also I dgaf who agrees with me, everyone is welcome to their own tastes, no matter how bad it is.

agree 100% with everything you said esp the legacy love.
ppl that hate on legacy make no sense to me.

yeah, supremacy is the clear weak link of that series

LOL. Yeah, I'm the one not interested in honest debate, while you've rejected 10 of the best, most universally well-respected franchises of all time for such insightful reasons as "lol", "lmao", & "I've never seen any of them", all while decrying any attempt at objective measurement that doesn't match your preconceived opinion. Good talk.

dude are you ******ed?

I didn't dismiss all ur amazing franchises cuz of "lol" I dismissed them because they contain one or more films that are not only terrible, but widely considered some of the worst films ever made.

sorry just cuz one or two of them happen to be all time classics that doesn't just excuse the fact that they deteriorated into total crap.

if you want to talk about all time great FILMS cool beans let's admire the godfather, but I don't think you understand what a FRANCHISE is, and you don't get to overlook films like godfather 3 or T3+ or Indiana Jones 4 when discussing FRANCHISES.

ur either trolling or dense but either way there is nothing to be gained from continuing to engage with you since you're not adding anything new u just keep saying the same nonsensical things over and over.

Ok then, let's look at individual films then.

What's your favorite of the four Bourne films?

Do you think that is a better individual film than the Godfather?

Do you think it's a better film than Citizen Kane?


Where would you rank it in comparison to Casablanca, or On the Waterfront or Chinatown? How about Apocalypse Now or Godfather Part 2?


Your favorite Bourne film what number do you have it on your personal best films of all time list?

How about the other 3 Bourne films, what number are they on that list?


Mind you I'm asking about individual movie vs. individual movie here, nothing to do with franchise, we've already established were you rank it franchise wise. Now I'm interested in seeing where you rank each of the four as individual films relative to all other films ever made on a best of all time list.

I was replying to the comment about films having sentimental value. Movies that you completely love, but realize that in real terms they aren't all time great, but wouldn't pass up an opportunity to watch it.

You know the comment directly above my comment...

Ok, fair enough.

I mean the over all discussion was about film franchises, but you're right about the post above yours.

And I agree with you that White Men Can't Jump is a perfect candidate for that type of movie. Definitely is for me as well.

Huge LOL at thinking the Bourne series is the best ever.

It's not even top 5.

my fav in order:

1
3
2
4

there is a big difference between a film I love and want to watch repeatedly and a film that is brilliantly made tho quite often they will overlap.

I would say all the films you listed are "better" than the Bourne films but I don't necessarily like them all more and certainly don't think they are as rewatchable.

for instance the godfather is clearly a "better" film and I own it and have seen it countless times but I have def watched the Bourne films more and am more likely to be in the mood to watch one of them then godfather 1 or 2.

citizen kane is whatever, I appreciate it's significance but won't ever watch it again.

chinatown is brilliant and I've watched it many times, it's clearly a better film than any of the Bourne movies.

apocalypse now is one of my all time favorite films and imo one of the GOAT ever made.

it's silly to compare a Bourne film to it as they are just so different and I would never want to watch a film and be like hmmmmm godfather or Bourne?
your either in the mood for one or the other they don't overlap whatsoever.

also you need to consider what a film is attempting to accomplish.

the Bourne movies aren't trying to compete with the films you listed, it's a ridic comparison to make, and to say that they aren't as good is irrelevant.

it doesn't detract from their GOATness whatsoever.
they set out to make the best action film they could and they succeeded in tremendous fashion.

do you think dumb and dumber is any less brilliant because it's not as good as the godfather?

I don't really ever attempt to rank my fav films, I have so many films I love and to try and rank them vs each other is pointless.

often times the movie im in the mood for and watching is my fav movie until I watch my next favorite.

some of my personal favorites in no particular order are:

dr strangelove
fargo
the big lebowski
NCFOM
the drop
training day
nightcrawler
the Bourne films
Michael clayton
gone baby gone
12 monkeys
unforgiven
children of men
true romance
inglorious basterds
zodiac
saving private ryan
JFK
butch cassidy n the sundance kid
the sting
goodfellas
apocalypse now
full metal jacket
casino
lock stock and two smoking barrels
get shorty
dumb and dumber
the fugitive
Indiana Jones 1 and 3
winters bone
there's something about mary
my cousin vinny


do I think these are the most significant films of all time?
some of them maybe and most of them aren't, but they are the films I'd take with me if I was to be stranded somewhere and could only watch what I brought with me.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some and will feel stupid when they come to me but it's a good enough selection to show you where my tastes lie.

I wouldn't rank the Bourne films at the top of any list of greatest films (aside from a list of best action films) but I have certainly watched them more than any other movie (I am a chronic rewatcher of movies and have seen all my fav films many many times).

Wat

Nice hot take. They are both very good movies.

^ If you like movies with lots of action and fighting, maybe so. But tat's not what either of the books were about.

lord of the rings movies are way better than the books

What does one medium have to do with the other? You realize that movies that are adapted from books have no responsibility to "film the book", right?

You're not one of those Tolkien guys who thinks they shouldn't have cut Tom Bombadil out of the movie, are you?

I didn't say anything about responsibility, but neither of the movies had much at all of what I liked in the books.

The LOTR books were pages and pages of people talking, then a casual mention of a fight. The movies were fighting for what at least felt like the majority of the time. Plus it was mostly stupid CGI fighting that didn't even look realistic.