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Biggest plot hole was that there never would have been a Red Ball with the cop's name on it to kick off all the action since no murder was going to be committed. AFAIK suicide didn't catch the attention of the precogs.

That's just a causality loop, I don't have a problem with that. What bugs me is that the "murder" scene played out differently than in the vision. In the vision, he would've known about the vision (it's the reason he was there) just like in reality, so nothing should've been different.

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03-28-2016 , 11:07 PM

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Precogs know a if murder was going to take place

No murder was going to take place

Therefore, precogs wouldn't foresee anything in that room

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03-28-2016 , 11:16 PM

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I don't think you get how causality loops work. There is a murder, and they do see it, but the act of them seeing it is what leads to the murder. It's a chicken/egg scenario.

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03-29-2016 , 12:23 AM

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That's actually explained pretty well in the movie. Because Tom Cruise knew the future, he was actually able to change it, just like Von Sidow did at the end.

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03-29-2016 , 01:51 AM

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I don't think you get how causality loops work. There is a murder, and they do see it, but the act of them seeing it is what leads to the murder. It's a chicken/egg scenario.

But there was never a murder to see.

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03-29-2016 , 01:52 AM

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Also, the idea that precogs only see murders within Washington DC and not in Virginia or Maryland is absurd.

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03-29-2016 , 09:49 AM

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But there was never a murder to see.

ARGH! As I said, you don't understand causality loops, so I'm done.

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03-29-2016 , 03:11 PM

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Kind of tough to understand anything that it is impossible, but like time travel in movies, it's something that you just have to learn to let go. Asserting that anything related to seeing the future or altering the past is a plot hole is just missing the point.

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03-29-2016 , 03:18 PM

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There was no murder though

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03-29-2016 , 03:29 PM

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Gotta bring that suspension of disbelief for some movies or you're just being a poor sport/stick in the mud.

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03-29-2016 , 04:17 PM

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I'm fine with time travel, precogs, hyperspace, and alien races.

Just don't ask me to accept Denise Richards or Keanu Reeves as nuclear physicists. **** has to make SOME sense.

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03-29-2016 , 04:19 PM

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Movies need an internal consistency and logic even if their world doesn't match our own.

Once you set up the rules of that world, those rules must be obeyed.

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03-29-2016 , 09:07 PM

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But how did the get Kong onto the ship for transport back to the states???

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03-29-2016 , 09:22 PM

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How did they keep him knocked out w/o putting entire ship to sleep?

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03-30-2016 , 08:21 AM

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But how did the get Kong onto the ship for transport back to the states???

They left a trail of giant bananas.

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03-30-2016 , 11:16 AM

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One more thing in Minority Report. A Red Ball is a crime of passion, whereas a brown ball is a planned murder. They explain this to tell the audience the urgency of the first scene in the movie, and the nonurgency of John Anderton's murder, as they would have a few days. If John Anderton was predestined to arrive in that hotel room, and all of a sudden discover that his child's murderer was standing in front of him, and shoots him, isn't that a crime of passion, and not some premeditated event?

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03-30-2016 , 01:05 PM

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Couldn't you just kidnap someone, drive them 100 miles away and then murder them? Precogs won't see it because they only see murder and then only in their predesignated area.

More interesting if they see murders from all over, but not all of them. So attempting a murder you'd need to fade precogs beforehand and cops after.

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03-30-2016 , 01:32 PM

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Now do Timecop

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03-30-2016 , 02:28 PM

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Now do Timecop

You can clearly see Van Damme's stunt double in the end fight sequence in the attic kicking the intruder down a flight of stairs. Besides that, this movie is flawless and makes complete sense without any plot holes whatsoever. I dare you to try and find one, even miniscule plot hole in this water tight action packed thrill ride.

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03-30-2016 , 07:12 PM

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lol

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04-06-2016 , 09:07 PM

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was just reading through this whole thread. Seeing the 'perfect movies' discussion a few pages back made me think that a 'perfect movies' draft could be pretty fun. Defining perfect as a movie being exactly what it was trying to be, whether it's a classic,a silly comedy, a popcorn action flick, campy horror film, whatever. Would be lots of room for unconventional picks, etc. Would obv rely on writeup quality. If this sounds fun to anyone else maybe we can drum something up!

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04-08-2016 , 03:02 PM

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Was a joke about the fighting scene where Sonny's hand never comes within 6 inches of Carlo.

That always annoyed me too. How could they not see that when editing, or didn't they care, or what? Sonny has jumped the fence, Carlo is against the building, Sonny throws that right cross that looks like he pulled it two feet from Carlo & his head looks like he was hit by GGG.

I think a punch in an Ed Wood movie would look more realistic than that did.

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04-08-2016 , 03:09 PM

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Too many close to perfect movies (for what they were attempting) are getting remade: Ghostbusters, Total Recall, Oldboy.

I don't mind a remake if a movie was a good idea and just had crappy execution, but those are never the ones they want to remake.

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04-09-2016 , 07:10 PM

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I certainly agree about oldboy and especially infernal affairs as examples.

However Heat is probably the best remake in history. The original was a great idea but lowsy casting and execution, while the remake was close to perfection