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09-11-2013 , 05:12 PM
Yeah but Rosamund Pike.
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09-11-2013 , 05:17 PM
Also, while the invisible car is bad, Madonna is such a charisma vacuum she completely blows the willing suspension of disbelief, and brings the narrative drive to a dead stop as sure as a brick wall across the freeway.
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09-11-2013 , 06:23 PM
I haven't seen either in years, but I remember The World is Not Enough as being much better than Die Another Day.
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09-11-2013 , 10:07 PM


I feel awkward just watching that.
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09-11-2013 , 10:59 PM
Die Another Day might actually be worse than Quantum of Solace.

Was The World is Not Enough the one with the henchman who couldn't feel any physical sensations? That was a cool concept for a Bond villain henchman
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09-12-2013 , 01:21 AM
Yes it was. Great concept, great actor playing it, severely underwritten.
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09-12-2013 , 02:46 AM
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Mmmmmmm Rosamund Pike.




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Yeah but Rosamund Pike.
Really?

My wife did student theatre with her and is not-a-fan, fortunately she does nothing for me sho its not a sore point.
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09-12-2013 , 05:18 AM
Die Another Day easily woat

Followed by Live and Let Die

Quantum of Solace was a huge let down because Casino Royale was so good.
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09-12-2013 , 06:10 PM
On Her Majesty's Secret Service by Ian Fleming

A return to form somewhat after the bitty For Your Eyes Only, the overlong Thunderball and the rather poor Spy Who Loved Me. This is quite similar to the movie, so we have Bond undercover in Blofeld's mountaintop lair, and a sweet courtship between Bond and Tracey leading to proposal and marriage. Not top tier, but close, with a pretty tragic ending. Enjoyable, and nice to see Fleming employing his fine writing style to an ingenious plot.
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09-12-2013 , 06:15 PM
You Only Live Twice by Ian Fleming



A terrific book that starts with a Bond, broken by the tragic events in OHMSS, slowly going to pieces, only to have M give him a nearly impossible assignment in the hope of getting Bond back to his former self. It's interesting to contract Bond now with the Bond at the end of Casino Royale...there, a loved one killed formed his character and drove him to target the enemies of Britain, whilst this death was the start of internal corrosion of the soul.

I really enjoyed this one, with it's western-eye view of Japan, the surprise turn (when not that surprising if you are at all familiar with thriller conventions) of Blofeld being the focus of Bond by coincidence, and the sweet tang of revenge.

It's final chapter is, if anything, even sadder (or maybe bittersweet) than the end of OHMSS, where we have Bond inadvertently giving up a beautiful wife, life and chance of a family because former memories won't give him any peace.

The title is from a haiku composed by Bond during the story:

You only live twice:
Once when you are born
And once when you look death in the face

Wonderful, probably my third favourite Bond after From Russia With Love and Live and Let Die.

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09-14-2013 , 02:28 AM
The Man with the Golden Gun by Ian Fleming

The last Fleming Bond novel, and a relatively short and simple story. Starts odd, with Bond trying to assassinate M because he's been brainwashed, but M decides to send him on a do-or-die mission - to kill one of the greatest hitmen in the world. We have Bond easily getting a job for Scaramanga, and slowly uncovering connections between the mafia and the KGB. Simple story, not as great as some of the others, but it cracks along with the usual Fleming pace, detail and authentic feel. Scaramanga in this is not the gentleman hitman of the movie, he's a Cuban/Hispanic thug.

Reasonable, would read again.

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09-14-2013 , 02:35 AM
Octopussy by Ian Fleming

consists of 3 short stories about Bond

Octopussy Very nice detail, but a not very exciting story about Bond (who's barely in it) tracking down an ex-agent who stole gold from the Nazis, committing murder of an innocent man (a man Bond knew and respected, before the war). The action is in Jamaica, and the bad guy is cultivating a friendship with an octopus, and it doesn't end well. Meh.

The Living Daylights - somewhat similar to the opening scene of the movie actually, with Bond tasked to take out an assassin before he/she can strike. Easily the best story of this set. Interesting end - Bond says he doesn't mind if M fires him for his last minute change of heart. Bond is getting sick of the life maybe?


The Property of a Lady - dreary story about an auction, where Bond knows a senior KGB operative will be present to drive up the price of a Faberge egg for sale, and Bond has to spot and ident him.


Okay, that's the end of Fleming's books, I won't be doing any more written Bond, so all that's left is Craig's 3 movies.
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09-14-2013 , 11:31 AM
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Octopussy by Ian Fleming

consists of 3 short stories about Bond

Octopussy Very nice detail, but a not very exciting story about Bond (who's barely in it) tracking down an ex-agent who stole gold from the Nazis, committing murder of an innocent man (a man Bond knew and respected, before the war). The action is in Jamaica, and the bad guy is cultivating a friendship with an octopus, and it doesn't end well. Meh.

The Living Daylights - somewhat similar to the opening scene of the movie actually, with Bond tasked to take out an assassin before he/she can strike. Easily the best story of this set. Interesting end - Bond says he doesn't mind if M fires him for his last minute change of heart. Bond is getting sick of the life maybe?


The Property of a Lady - dreary story about an auction, where Bond knows a senior KGB operative will be present to drive up the price of a Faberge egg for sale, and Bond has to spot and ident him.


Okay, that's the end of Fleming's books, I won't be doing any more written Bond, so all that's left is Craig's 3 movies.
Thanks for doing this. As someone who has never read any of the books, it was great to hear what they are like. Really makes me want to read them!
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09-19-2013 , 04:25 PM
Casino Royale (2006)



76/100

4 years after Die Another Day (seems longer), we get a Bond reboot of sorts (M is still Dench, but playing it harder edged), starting with Bond winning his Double-0 status by killing 2 men. He's a loose cannon here, but extremely resourceful, icy and distant.

I saw this when it came out, and not since, and remembered bits I liked (most of it actually except the stupid self-defribilator part, and I didn't buy the love story at the end), but completely forgot a whole section in the middle involving an attempt to destroy a new aircraft - and damn well-put together it was. I really enjoyed the rewatch, and my estimation of the movie has gone up somewhat. I still think the poker scenes had very little tension compared to what they could have had, and the defibrillator scene is still poor, but I was most changed over my view of Eva Green and the love story - she was a great Vesper, and it did work, I was wrong.

Excellent start by Craig imo, and definitely a big step up from the silliness that Die Another Day has got into.

Theme song sucks. Fantastic opening chase, by the way. And very nice ending too.
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09-23-2013 , 05:02 AM
Quantum of Solace (2006)



70/100

Quantum of Solace has real structural problems. The motivations and plotting seem senseless at times. Bond kills people left right and centre - which is fine, but when he does it to a guy when Bond's just broken into the apartment and doesn't really know much about the guy...seems odd. Near the beginning, a girl is going out on a motor boat with some potential foreign dictator, and so no obvious issue, Bond takes it on himself to rescue her. Why? I have no idea. The same girl is obviously a target for death by the main villain at the start, and yet we see her with the villain again halfway through the movie, so why did the villain change his mind about her?...and so on.

Having said that, there is a lot of good in this movie that I didn't take in the first time, because I was just aggravated with the poor setup up of character motivations - the stunts are really terrific (car chase at the start, Bond taking out people left right and centre, the end set-piece); the interesting political points raised where governments realise they have to deal with bad guys to get things done rings very true; and Bond clear, inconsolable rage, and a rather good (partial) resolution to the whole Vesper arc.

The villain was actually better than I remembered too, being a kind of creepy Roman Polanski (ahem...) clone, and it was kind of funny (and melding nicely with real life villains) the plot was about Quantum being a monopolistic utility company.

Craig is in fine form here, exuding menace and confidence at every turn. I lolled when he refused to check into a second-rate hotel, and went to a fine one, insisting it didn't blow their cover as teachers on holiday, because they'd "just won the lottery". lol. The female lead is pretty good too, as is Dench.

Overall enjoyable, but hell the motivations and causality issues in the script were kind of heinous.
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09-23-2013 , 05:08 AM
so, faithful threadfollowers, that leaves just one more movie, and I'm done.

So to get you in the mood...
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09-23-2013 , 05:12 AM
alternatively, the surest signal the cold war is over that you'll ever see

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09-23-2013 , 05:13 AM
That's what they want you to think.
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09-23-2013 , 02:05 PM
I love that soldier version. Stuck with me for days the first time I heard it.
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09-23-2013 , 02:21 PM
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09-23-2013 , 11:06 PM
Only 76/100 for Casino Royale? Man, I thought that one was off the hook. I even liked the theme song/title scene. Mid 90's if Goldfinger is the 100/100 calibration mark imo.

Defibrillator was kinda dumb, tho.
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09-24-2013 , 01:19 AM
Poker scenes cost Casino Royale a few points, but it's still a terrific movie.

I've always thought of CR-QoS as parts one and two of a big overall story arc. Very happy with it, especially (as you stated) the amazing stuntwork and action scenes.
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09-24-2013 , 10:58 AM
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Poker scenes cost Casino Royale a few points, but it's still a terrific movie.

I've always thought of CR-QoS as parts one and two of a big overall story arc. Very happy with it, especially (as you stated) the amazing stuntwork and action scenes.
My thoughts exactly.
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09-27-2013 , 06:41 PM
Skyfall

Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.




Well, having watched all the Bond movies in a long run (and not the first time I've seen them), and expecting mostly that what I thought before would remain true by the end, I was surprised by the end result...Skyfall is now my favourite Bond. None of the others, save perhaps OHMSS and Casino Royale, approach the emotional impact of this, and none of them except maybe From Russia With Love and Goldfinger approach the level of cinematography and imagery of Skyfall.

It is flawed, of course, with logic, plot holes and with character dissonances, but these are minor. It's a grand work, with a great villain, and some great scenes (the fight in silhouette is masterful), and has subtle echoes of other stories and themes (some of Bond's own in fact). The main themes, it seems to me, are death and resurrection, themes of parenthood gone awry but shaping the child into something he would not have been if he'd stayed under a parent's protective wing, of battling against very tough odds to win (and this is the first time I can really recall in a Bond film a clear sense Bond is in survival rather than winning mode), and also light and shadow. There's elements of old British myths here, like Arthurian legend, a touch of St George fighting the Dragon (the villain is a man burned through on the inside), and Jesus. It starts, after a brilliant action sequence in Istanbul, with Bond dead to the world (echoes of the end of the book You Only Live Twice), amplified by a terrific title sequence overlaid by Adele's plaintive song.

But he does come back when he needs to, and we see him trying to get back some of his former skills and fitness. We have new versions of old Bond elements and characters that work well. But mostly there's this theme of resurrection and old sins coming back to haunt you.

Twice we see Bond fall into water and sink, only to emerge somewhere else. We even see him get to walk on water (well, ice...), and face dragons (of the Komodo kind). We see him unshaven and looking tired and raddled, but when he needs to, a shave and a decent tuxedo brings the Bond we know back.

Sam Mendes, the director, is a man versed in classic British literature and stories, and he invokes these subtly throughout. There's a theme here of Britain in decline, paralleled by Bond's decline, and both struggling...it reminds me of the Saxon belief that a king is tied to his land, and a king in decline means the land is in decline, and vice versa. Mendes is perhaps invoking that old idea here. And while we see Bond struggling to get back to his old levels of strength, we also see the chaos and doubters around M, until finally Bond takes M away, so he can try to protect her from the relentless and resourceful villain, even while he's not quite back to strength himself.

But about Bond and maybe about Britain, M says as she quotes Tennyson...'Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.'

The words mirror the end.

And what a great ending. A great middle and start too, with Bardem proving a terrific villain, who is clearly the good guy in his own story, but the bad guy in ours. He's bitter, complex, funny, and haunted by betrayal he cannot forgive. He shows he loves M by the end, but cannot live without finishing her and himself. But that end...The final goodbye to the old M, and Bond back to his former self, going into M's office with that gloriously plush leather-padded door (like the one in the old days), to see the new M, and when asked if he's ready to get back to work...as Bond puts it, "With pleasure, M. With pleasure."

Glorious.

90/100
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09-27-2013 , 07:04 PM
Glorious writing and analysis diebitter. It's been a fun ride. Great thread. "This is the end..."
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