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Old 01-24-2012, 09:30 AM   #14311
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Drive- Pretty disappointed with this. I didn't really enjoy it all.

Gosling's character makes for an absolutely awful protagonist in my opinion. Just an empty, boring, shell of a character who's actions and behaviour produce tortuous moment after tortuous moment. A man who stares the viewer into submission and harbours a complete psychopath deep inside, buried underneath an automaton of some kind, an emotionless man with no history, no connections, nothing. I still am not sure if he had some sort of learning disability or what. He remains nameless, perhaps in a homage to the Clint Eastwood roles in Spaghetti Westerns. If there was an attempt to make him similar to Clint's though, it failed miserably.

It contains multiple contrived montages meant to forward a burgeoning relationship between Gosling and a young single mother. They are just awful and painful to watch and by the end we have absolutely no clue what has gone on or is going on between them. It is left ambiguous, which is often a good thing in films but in this case simply makes all the following events more and more incomprehensible.

The violence in this film is completely incongruous, it's over the top nature making me just want to switch off. I am a big fan of violent movies in general and even I thought it was ridiculous.

That ****ing jacket. LOL. Nice driving gloves too. This is a man so careful he doesn't want his fingerprints anywhere (I assume those gloves aren't actually for driving lol), he gives them only a 5 minute window otherwise he's gone and he leaves the car when he's finished with it I suppose so there is no evidence connecting him with aiding and abetting. Yet he walks around with this blood stained jacket later on like it ain't no thang. He can't dare take off his precious jacket even if covered in blood from a gruesome killing. He wears that jacket over another jacket by the way. Double jacket, badass. He also doesn't apparantly give a **** about going to a hospital to heal his wounds and at the end of the film we assume that he has just died sitting in his car. Good.

Even the driving in this movie is not impressive in anyway and I was left wondering when they were going to show us his apparantly amazing talents. All we see are a couple of fairly boring car chases where nothing impressive happens and they allude to him driving a stock car really well but we only see a minute glimpse of it.

On the plus side this movie did have some good performances. Bryan Cranston and Ron Perlman played interesting characters and made the film almost bearable. I did enjoy the atmosphere and soundtrack of the opening scenes also although later the sounds often became cloying and irritating.

Overall, would not recommend.
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:57 AM   #14312
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On the plus side this movie did have some good performances. Bryan Cranston and Ron Perlman played interesting characters and made the film almost bearable.
I also enjoyed Perlman tho I had no idea if I had seen him in anything else before this.

Cranston, however, I felt was either terribly miscast or he himself terribly acted his part. I found his story and dialogue to be a tired caricature of past sad songs. This can be overcome with nuance and subtlety, but I didn't find Cranston bringing anything resembling that to the film.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:36 AM   #14313
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**** The Help and Extremely Loud

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Best Picture
"The Artist"
"The Descendants"
"Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close"
"Hugo"
"Midnight in Paris"
"The Help"
"Moneyball"
"War Horse"
"The Tree of Life"

Best Actor
Demian Bichir, "A Better Life"
George Clooney, "The Descendants"
Jean Dujardin, "The Artist"
Gary Oldman, "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy"
Brad Pitt, "Moneyball"

Best Actress
Glenn Close, "Albert Nobbs"
Viola Davis, "The Help"
Rooney Mara, "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo"
Meryl Streep, "The Iron Lady"
Michelle Williams, "My Week With Marilyn"

Best Supporting Actor
Kenneth Branagh, "My Week With Marilyn"
Jonah Hill, "Moneyball"
Nick Nolte, "Warrior"
Christopher Plummer, "Beginners"
Max Von Sydow, "Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close"

Best Supporting Actress
Berenice Bejo, "The Artist"
Jessica Chastain, "The Help"
Melissa McCarthy, "Bridesmaids"
Janet McTeer, "Albert Nobbs"
Octavia Spencer, "The Help"

Best Director
Woody Allen, "Midnight in Paris"
Michel Hazanavicius, "The Artist"
Terrence Malick, "The Tree of Life"
Alexander Payne, "The Descendants"
Martin Scorsese, "Hugo"
Steven Spielberg, "War Horse"

Best Original Screenplay
Woody Allen, "Midnight in Paris"
JC Chandor, "Margin Call"
Asghar Farhadi, "A Separation"
Michel Hazanavicius, "The Artist"
Kristen Wiig and Annie Mumolo, "Bridesmaids"

Best Adapted Screenplay
Alexander Payne, Nat Faxton, Jim Rash, "The Descendants"
John Logan, "Hugo"
George Clooney, Grant Heslov, Beau Willimon, "The Ides of March"
Aaron Sorkin, Steven Zaillian, "Moneyball"
Bridget O'Connor, Peter Straughn, "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy"

Best Animated Feature
"A Cat In Paris"
"Chico & Rita"
"Kung Fu Panda 2"
"Puss in Boots"
"Rango"

Best Foreign Language Film of the Year
Bullhead (Belgium)
Footnote (Israel)
In Darkness (Poland)
Monsieur Lazhar (Canada)
A Separation (Iran)

Original Score
"The Adventures of Tintin," John Williams
"The Artist," Ludovic Bource
"Hugo," Howard Shore
"Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy," Alberto Iglesias
"War Horse," John Williams

Best Original Song
"Man or Muppet," The Muppets; Music and Lyric by Bret McKenzie
"Real in Rio," Rio; Music by Sergio Mendes and Carlinhos Brown, Lyric by Siedah Garrett

Best Achievement in Art Direction
"The Artist"
"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2"
"Hugo"
"Midnight in Paris"
"War Horse"

Best Achievement in Cinematography
"The Artist"
"The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo"
"Hugo"
"The Tree of Life"
"War Horse"

Best Achievement in Costume Design
"Anonymous"
"The Artist"
"Hugo"
"Jane Eyre"
"W.E."

Best Documentary Feature
"Hell and Back Again"
"If a Tree Falls: A Story of the Earth Liberation Front"
"Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory"
"Pina"
"Undefeated"

Best Documentary Short Subject
"The Barber of Birmingham: Foot Soldier of the Civil Rights Movement?"
"God Is the Bigger Elvis"
"Incident in New Baghdad"
"Saving Face"
"The Tsunami and the Cherry Blossom"

Best Achievement in Film Editing
"The Artist"
"The Descendants"
"The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo"
"Hugo"
"Moneyball"

Best Achievement in Makeup
"Albert Nobbs"
"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2"
"The Iron Lady"

Best Animated Short Film
Dimanche/Sunday
The Fantastic Flying Books of Mr. Morris Lessmore
La Luna
A Morning Stroll
Wild Life

Best Live Action Short Film
"Pentecost"
"Raju"
"The Shore"
"Time Freak"
"Tuba Atlantic"

Best Achievement in Sound Editing
"Drive"
"The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo"
"Hugo"
"Transformers: Dark of the Moon"
"War Horse"

Best Achievement in Sound Mixing
"The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo"
"Hugo"
"Moneyball"
"Transformers: Dark of the Moon"
"War Horse"

Best Achievement in Visual Effects
"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2"
"Hugo"
"Real Steel"
"Rise of the Planet of the Apes"
"Transformers: Dark of the Moon"
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:40 AM   #14314
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Re: Movies: What have you seen lately - part 2

In which Drive goes completely over the head of Ray_Z_Boy and he posts all major spoilers along the way without spoiler tags.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:10 PM   #14315
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Apologies for the spoilers. It had been out for ages so I wasn't thinking. It is now too late to edit unfortunately. Perhaps a mod could spoiler tag it.

As for it going over my head, if you could point out which of my criticisms you disagree with? When a film which is highly praised gets criticised often it is said the film just went over their head with no further elucidation. I had really high expectations due to hype and it completely failed to meet them.

I see Girl With The Dragon Tattoo didn't get nominated for best original score. There Will Be Blood issue or just Oscar retardation? /Reznor fanboy
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:13 PM   #14316
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Alien in preparation for prometheus I'm planning on going through the alien quadrology. Pretty cool to see the stuff in alien that will be in Prometheus. It's been a long time since I've seen this movie but one thing that stood out was how great the environments look. Loved the set in the coolant room with all the hanging chains and dripping water. Movie goes from bright open sterile living quarters to claustrophobic dirty confusing corridors. It's amazing how many types of sets were stuffs in a movie that really only takes place in one place.

8/10 for the movie
1/10 for any special effects that take place in space. The models were hilariously bad. Worse than 1977 Star Wars by a long shot
this is interesting to me! I've heard other people say the same thing. I saw Alien for the first time a couple years ago and was pretty much blown away, to the point of total immersion. didn't even click that the setting and atmosphere were at all graphically hindered. (MAYBE the look of the Alien popping out but I think that was even intentionally supposed to look a tad hokey, along with being terrifying). I do recall having a few drinks in me at the time, which no doubt added to my appreciation.

Aliens, on the other hand, is terrible
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did anyone see red tails?
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:26 PM   #14318
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did anyone see red tails?
this post+your avatar=me laughing HARD haha i love it. I didn't see it, but a few friends thought it was "ok" with a lot of fancy special effects.
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did anyone see red tails?
friend saw it, he said it sucked. didn't elaborate much, though. (think he saw it because he's in the airforce and goes to all of those plane movies lol).
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I think the reason Cro assumed it went over your head is because many of your complaints are about exactly what (I believe) the director was intending.

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Drive- Pretty disappointed with this. I didn't really enjoy it all.

Gosling's character makes for an absolutely awful protagonist in my opinion. Just an empty, boring, shell of a character who's actions and behaviour produce tortuous moment after tortuous moment. A man who stares the viewer into submission and harbours a complete psychopath deep inside, buried underneath an automaton of some kind, an emotionless man with no history, no connections, nothing. I still am not sure if he had some sort of learning disability or what. He remains nameless, perhaps in a homage to the Clint Eastwood roles in Spaghetti Westerns. If there was an attempt to make him similar to Clint's though, it failed miserably.
You could pluck this sentence out of your critique and insert it into a positive, glowing review. That's exactly what we're meant to feel about Ryan Gosling's character. IMO that doesn't sound boring at all.


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It contains multiple contrived montages meant to forward a burgeoning relationship between Gosling and a young single mother. They are just awful and painful to watch and by the end we have absolutely no clue what has gone on or is going on between them. It is left ambiguous, which is often a good thing in films but in this case simply makes all the following events more and more incomprehensible.
Drive is a mutant-frankenstein of a movie. It couldn't exist without the movies of the past. Like Tarrantino, Refn takes snippets and elements of movies that [must have] inspired him and mashes them up into something of his own. The whole film is a mutation of 80's American action films where the "contrived montage" (especially where the love interest is involved) is a staple. Even if you remove the irony or acknowledgment of montage as reference, or montage as prerequisite, I found the shots of them driving down the LA river to be quite beautiful.

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The violence in this film is completely incongruous, it's over the top nature making me just want to switch off. I am a big fan of violent movies in general and even I thought it was ridiculous.
See note above.

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He also doesn't apparantly give a **** about going to a hospital to heal his wounds and at the end of the film we assume that he has just died sitting in his car. Good.
I hate to burst your bubble, and I haven't seen this since the theater, but I believe the final shot suggests otherwise?

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Even the driving in this movie is not impressive in anyway and I was left wondering when they were going to show us his apparantly amazing talents. All we see are a couple of fairly boring car chases where nothing impressive happens and they allude to him driving a stock car really well but we only see a minute glimpse of it.
I was greatly impressed by the driving in the opening sequence.

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Overall, I think it's important to view the world of Drive not as real life, but as a movie world. If you're not doing that (and your review possibly suggests that), then you're missing major elements of the storytelling.
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Drive- Pretty disappointed with this. I didn't really enjoy it all.
Drive seems to be pretty polarizing. People either loved it or hated it.

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...Gosling's character makes for an absolutely awful protagonist in my opinion...

...Just an empty, boring, shell of a character who's actions and behaviour produce tortuous moment after tortuous moment...

...harbours a complete psychopath deep inside, buried underneath an automaton of some kind, an emotionless man with no history, no connections, nothing....
Personally I find that type of character interesting. We are thrown into the life of this character, and by seeing him navigate his current situation. I think we can make reasonable assumptions about his history, connections, motives, etc. I find that type of movie going experience fun.

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...They are just awful and painful to watch and by the end we have absolutely no clue what has gone on or is going on between them. It is left ambiguous...
It is 100% clear what is going on between them - Romance is budding, OOPS baby daddy is out of the clank. Romance halted. **** hits the fan.

One could argue there is some tragedy to the circumstance. Woman and kid see him as more than a monster. Life poops on him again. Now he has to show them that he is a monster in order to ensure they are safe. No chance for love.

The scene with Gossling and the boy where they are talking about the cartoon shark while watching TV, basically, is a pretty on the nose way of explaining the story of the film.

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The violence in this film is completely incongruous, it's over the top nature making me just want to switch off. I am a big fan of violent movies in general and even I thought it was ridiculous.
In my opinion Drive is one of those movies that is going to be remembered as being more violent than it actually was. The reason for this in my opinion is because Drive does such an excellent job at building suspense and tension. So the violence triggers more of an emotional response compared to other movies. I also think the emphasis on style and atmosphere makes the violence appear more outrageous than it actually was.

In my opinion you are over reacting to a movie that wasn't all that violent compared to most other R rated movies in similar genres.

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That ****ing jacket. LOL. Nice driving gloves too.
That's like laughing at Superman for wearing a cape.

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Yet he walks around with this blood stained jacket later on like it ain't no thang. He can't dare take off his precious jacket even if covered in blood from a gruesome killing. He wears that jacket over another jacket by the way. Double jacket, badass. He also doesn't apparantly give a **** about going to a hospital to heal his wounds and at the end of the film we assume that he has just died sitting in his car. Good.
The bolded part was probably the funniest thing I have read all day. I don't mean that as a dig at you either.

I think the other stuff is just nit picky for the sake of nit picking. Why do you care that he doesn't go to hospital? Do you think that would make for an exciting scene? Did you want to see him going home and changing into a another white scorpion coat?

Who cares, if he walks around with blood on him (I understand you are griping that if he is such a careful criminal, this is a ludicrous move for him to make). What I'm saying is, who gives a ****. It looks cool.

Don't be a nit.


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Even the driving in this movie is not impressive in anyway and I was left wondering when they were going to show us his apparantly amazing talents. All we see are a couple of fairly boring car chases where nothing impressive happens and they allude to him driving a stock car really well but we only see a minute glimpse of it.
Same as above, did you want to watch him take 500 practice laps in the stock car then they can talk about how impressive his racing his?

I think showing the opening heist, was a pretty good indication of his skills and his approach to things.

This wasn't supposed be Transporter 5.

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Obviously, you didn't like the movie, seems like you feel it was style over substance. Thats fine, it's your opinion and I respect that.

In my opinion Drive was the coolest 2 hour long music video I have ever seen.
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sometimes style is enough... guy Ritchie was able to entertain me for over two hours... twice.
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I'm With RaZBoy...Drive was meh.
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I will dedicate my 5000th post to be upset about how the Oscar's is just about throwing congratulations to the past generations and will lose even more credibility when Rooney Mara loses out to Meryl Streep again just like she did at Golden Globes.

Even Meryl Streep was embarrassed to win with that field.
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competition for art... it's just a bad concept. and if it's not art, then why not just give the top awards to the movies that make the most money
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