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07-22-2017 , 08:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clovis8
Dunkirk

I loathed this film. It is really badly structured, the soundmix is oppressive, and the message is disgusting. It is beautiful to look at like, like if Dali was to arrange the bodies from Jonestown into an artwork.

First structure, it randomly and for no reason flashes from day to night and location to location making it impossible to understand where in the story you are or which location. There is no plot, which is fine. Most of my favorite films have little to no plot. However, here instead of character or plot you get endless repeats of the same narrow escape scene by a guy you don't care about at all. It's basically 3 scenes, repeated for two hours. It is like a cheap slasher film or action movie where the hero JUST escapes 100 times until the credits roll.

Nolan also thinks war was nothing but non-stop action. He really does a terrible job of showing the scale as well. We are told over and over that there are 400,000 people on the beach but are shown like 2,000. Did his CGI budget run out? Also, the big emotional payoff scene when the boats arrive again we are shown 10 boats which would hold like 500 people.

Nolan is hands down the single worst working director in terms of sound. I didn't think it could get worse than Interstellar but he tops himself here. In 70mm IMAX it is so loud it actually hurts. This isn't to say you can understand a word any of the actors say. All dialogue is barely audible. Everything else is tuned up to 11.

Finally the message is revolting. Here war is totally clean. Nobody is really hurt. No limbs lost or blood even. People just neatly fall to the ground and peacefully pass away. Furthermore, the film spends 9/10th of its time trying to show the futility of war but cant pass up an ending about the glory of war. It's really gross.

Apparently, the main guy is some pop star but he doesn't have to act all, just run away from explosions or swim to the surface so its pretty meaningless.

Did anyone care about the 17 year old kid and if so why?

Grade: D
Wow, you sure you went in the right theatre?

Sounds like you were watching Spider-Man: Homecoming,

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07-22-2017 , 09:40 PM
Yeah, I had no problem with the sound or the music or the score...it all worked great for me.

Clovis does have a point that there seemed to be a lack of ships on the water...only saw maybe 20 boats at once on the water at one time....there literally had to be thousands, right?

As for the structure, I liked it quite a bit. It was confusing at times, though.

And I thought Harry Styles did a great job as the main soldier on the beach.
07-22-2017 , 09:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clovis8
Dunkirk

I loathed this film. It is really badly structured, the soundmix is oppressive, and the message is disgusting. It is beautiful to look at like, like if Dali was to arrange the bodies from Jonestown into an artwork.

First structure, it randomly and for no reason flashes from day to night and location to location making it impossible to understand where in the story you are or which location. There is no plot, which is fine. Most of my favorite films have little to no plot. However, here instead of character or plot you get endless repeats of the same narrow escape scene by a guy you don't care about at all. It's basically 3 scenes, repeated for two hours. It is like a cheap slasher film or action movie where the hero JUST escapes 100 times until the credits roll.

Nolan also thinks war was nothing but non-stop action. He really does a terrible job of showing the scale as well. We are told over and over that there are 400,000 people on the beach but are shown like 2,000. Did his CGI budget run out? Also, the big emotional payoff scene when the boats arrive again we are shown 10 boats which would hold like 500 people.

Nolan is hands down the single worst working director in terms of sound. I didn't think it could get worse than Interstellar but he tops himself here. In 70mm IMAX it is so loud it actually hurts. This isn't to say you can understand a word any of the actors say. All dialogue is barely audible. Everything else is tuned up to 11.

Finally the message is revolting. Here war is totally clean. Nobody is really hurt. No limbs lost or blood even. People just neatly fall to the ground and peacefully pass away. Furthermore, the film spends 9/10th of its time trying to show the futility of war but cant pass up an ending about the glory of war. It's really gross.

Apparently, the main guy is some pop star but he doesn't have to act all, just run away from explosions or swim to the surface so its pretty meaningless.

Did anyone care about the 17 year old kid and if so why?

Grade: D
07-22-2017 , 11:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clovis8
Dunkirk

I loathed this film. It is really badly structured, the soundmix is oppressive, and the message is disgusting. It is beautiful to look at like, like if Dali was to arrange the bodies from Jonestown into an artwork.

First structure, it randomly and for no reason flashes from day to night and location to location making it impossible to understand where in the story you are or which location. There is no plot, which is fine. Most of my favorite films have little to no plot. However, here instead of character or plot you get endless repeats of the same narrow escape scene by a guy you don't care about at all. It's basically 3 scenes, repeated for two hours. It is like a cheap slasher film or action movie where the hero JUST escapes 100 times until the credits roll.

Nolan also thinks war was nothing but non-stop action. He really does a terrible job of showing the scale as well. We are told over and over that there are 400,000 people on the beach but are shown like 2,000. Did his CGI budget run out? Also, the big emotional payoff scene when the boats arrive again we are shown 10 boats which would hold like 500 people.

Nolan is hands down the single worst working director in terms of sound. I didn't think it could get worse than Interstellar but he tops himself here. In 70mm IMAX it is so loud it actually hurts. This isn't to say you can understand a word any of the actors say. All dialogue is barely audible. Everything else is tuned up to 11.

Finally the message is revolting. Here war is totally clean. Nobody is really hurt. No limbs lost or blood even. People just neatly fall to the ground and peacefully pass away. Furthermore, the film spends 9/10th of its time trying to show the futility of war but cant pass up an ending about the glory of war. It's really gross.

Apparently, the main guy is some pop star but he doesn't have to act all, just run away from explosions or swim to the surface so its pretty meaningless.

Did anyone care about the 17 year old kid and if so why?

Grade: D
Awesome. I could not be more hyped for this movie now. Given how much you hated Interstellar and I loved it on first viewing, I expect to leave the Dunkirk screening wiping away literal tears of joy.
07-23-2017 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Clovis does have a point that there seemed to be a lack of ships on the water...only saw maybe 20 boats at once on the water at one time....there literally had to be thousands, right?
700 small craft, according to wikipedia --they got the job done by taking multiple trips back and forth (amazing), some saving as many as 7,000 each. Spread them out across the channel and you can imagine there might not be that many visible at any one time? haven't seen the movie yet, so I will reserve judgement on this.
07-23-2017 , 12:38 AM
They used at least 60 real ships making the movie.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7845376.html
07-23-2017 , 02:31 AM
The beach in Dunkirk is miles and miles long. This movie showed a section of it. They didn't have 400,000 people stacked in a couple hundred feet of beach so no one could move
07-23-2017 , 10:11 AM
Dunkirk (The dream version)

I have yet to see the movie, but I had a dream that I saw it last night, and would like to recap what a piece of **** it was.

It started off phenomenally. Classic love triangle between two guys and a girl on the beach. Swimming pool sequence where we don't know which guy she is going to choose. And then the action began.

When the first bomb went off (around a bunch of civil war looking soldiers with muskets and bayonets), all of us in the audience knew that it was real, and we had to all retreat to the back of the theater to avoid the shrapnel, but sadly this is where the movie went downhill. You see, there was no sound after this. I was confused at first, watching the action on screen without being able to hear anything. That's when I looked at the rest of the audience members. They all had their ipads out with headphones plugged in, and were all enjoying the movie listening to it while watching it on their tiny little screens.

What kind of monster would make a movie where you had to bring your ipad and headphones just to continue watching the movie. I left the theater completely dejected. I didn't even finish watching it. I was so disappointed.

Do not, I repeat, do not see this version of the film.
07-23-2017 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mflip
The beach in Dunkirk is miles and miles long. This movie showed a section of it. They didn't have 400,000 people stacked in a couple hundred feet of beach so no one could move
It's a movie and it contains half shots from planes. He did a terrible job showing scale. It's not defendable.

Nolan is a genius technical director and absolutely terrible writer. He needs to stop writing his films immediately. He has no ability to craft character or structure.
07-23-2017 , 10:38 AM
Trainspotting 2

Choose Life. Choose to put down that bottle in the name of tomorrow. Choose to grow old with a lucid mind, forever observing the effects of aging - day in and day out - on the surface of that morning mirror. Choose to present yourself favourably, climbing rapidly that social ladder. Choose to smile, despite the rotten aspects of the urban life tucked away in alleyways like syringes, crack pipes, dementia, schizophrenia and utter paranoia. Choose to hold back that anger that urges you to beat the living crap out of that dipshyt sitting across you in the bus. Choose to not beat up an old woman with her own purse, despite that uncontrollable desire to do so. Choose to repress that tilt of yours that makes you want to flip that ****ing table and all the stupid chips on them. Choose to behave, suppress, to wear a mask. Choose to not be unfaithful, to not **** that new honey like you both deserve it. Choose to not totally go ape-monkey/lose it on every-fracking-body, as no one would ever forget. Choose life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkUHzMtFiac


So what happens when you get the original crew of degenerates back together 20 years later? You get the same habits, the same measured addictions, disillusion and a general sense of hopelessness as life flashes by like a daze.





The first time I saw Trainspotting, I was high like a mama fracking kite. I was at the beginning of a 4 year relationship, both of us 20 years old, highly immersed in the grudge/alternative scene of Montreal, disillusioned, terribly mad at society, consumerism and the fracking black hole that is modern ages. Needless to say, but the movie spoke directly to us. Moreso, it was a true companion. A testimony of our times. A message in a bottle at sea, that perhaps would not go completely unnoticed… 16 years later, I sobered up. I made peace with my anger, my disillusion. I embraced (somewhat) what I wanted to ****ing kick in the chinny chin chin back in the 90s. I Chose Life.

The problem is, when put in the face of old age, decay, anxiety, life's ****ing problems and all, we are left but with 1 solution : to embrace the moment. The present. That same ****ing ironic fleeting moment that forever escapes our grasp Choose life.
07-23-2017 , 02:30 PM
I'm watching The Carey Treatment on TCM right now. It's a 1972 medical whodunit directed by Blake Edwards. James Coburn is the cool doctor star, suave as hell as always. Asian character actor James Hong plays his doctor friend unjustly charged with murder. Supermodel legend Jennifer O'Neill as Coburn's love interest brings the wooden in her performance, as she was wont to do.

This is like a really good 70s tv movie, which is a compliment. It's great as a nostalgic 70s time capsule, well-made for what it is but not particularly great cinema or anything.
07-23-2017 , 05:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rbenuck4
Dunkirk (The dream version)

I have yet to see the movie, but I had a dream that I saw it last night, and would like to recap what a piece of **** it was.

It started off phenomenally. Classic love triangle between two guys and a girl on the beach. Swimming pool sequence where we don't know which guy she is going to choose. And then the action began.

When the first bomb went off (around a bunch of civil war looking soldiers with muskets and bayonets), all of us in the audience knew that it was real, and we had to all retreat to the back of the theater to avoid the shrapnel, but sadly this is where the movie went downhill. You see, there was no sound after this. I was confused at first, watching the action on screen without being able to hear anything. That's when I looked at the rest of the audience members. They all had their ipads out with headphones plugged in, and were all enjoying the movie listening to it while watching it on their tiny little screens.

What kind of monster would make a movie where you had to bring your ipad and headphones just to continue watching the movie. I left the theater completely dejected. I didn't even finish watching it. I was so disappointed.

Do not, I repeat, do not see this version of the film.
lol I wanna see this version anyway
07-23-2017 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
It's a movie and it contains half shots from planes. He did a terrible job showing scale. It's not defendable.

Nolan is a genius technical director and absolutely terrible writer. He needs to stop writing his films immediately. He has no ability to craft character or structure.
From wikipedia

Date Beaches Harbour Total
27 May – 7,669 7,669
28 May 5,390 11,874 17,804
29 May 13,752 33,558 47,310
30 May 29,512 24,311 53,823
31 May 22,942 45,072 68,014
1 June 17,348 47,081 64,429
2 June 6,695 19,561 26,256
3 June 1,870 24,876 26,746
4 June 622 25,553 26,175
Totals 98,671 239,555 338,226

A lot of people were waiting on the beaches for more than one day but there was also still a defensive line holding back the Germans. Not all of the troops were on the beach. Yeah he probably could have CGI'd in more people but it seems like he was being fairly true to what it would have looked like.

I agree with you on character side but I don't think it hurt the film at all. Did you really want 20 minutes of flashbacks to Harry Styles pre-war life? These small ships weren't going on a mission to save some particular hero. They were going to bring back the nameless, faceless masses.
07-23-2017 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by kioshk
I'm watching The Carey Treatment on TCM right now. It's a 1972 medical whodunit directed by Blake Edwards. James Coburn is the cool doctor star, suave as hell as always. Asian character actor James Hong plays his doctor friend unjustly charged with murder. Supermodel legend Jennifer O'Neill as Coburn's love interest brings the wooden in her performance, as she was wont to do.

This is like a really good 70s tv movie, which is a compliment. It's great as a nostalgic 70s time capsule, well-made for what it is but not particularly great cinema or anything.
Jennifer o frikkin Neill.

Just like Jacqueline Bisset,or Raquel Welch,most of that talent was all natural.

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07-23-2017 , 10:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kioshk
I'm watching The Carey Treatment on TCM right now. It's a 1972 medical whodunit directed by Blake Edwards. James Coburn is the cool doctor star, suave as hell as always. Asian character actor James Hong plays his doctor friend unjustly charged with murder. Supermodel legend Jennifer O'Neill as Coburn's love interest brings the wooden in her performance, as she was wont to do.

This is like a really good 70s tv movie, which is a compliment. It's great as a nostalgic 70s time capsule, well-made for what it is but not particularly great cinema or anything.
The Cary Treatment is fantastic... it really is. The visual style and camera work belies the fact that it was made in the early 70's. I think it is probably Colburns best work.

We need a 1970's movie draft.
07-23-2017 , 10:44 PM
I finally got around to watching Kong... it really acquitted itself quite admirably and was a fantastic second movie in the Monarch universe.

I loved the stylistic ques and respectful treatment it gave to the Toho Genre...

The homage the movie gave to nostalgia as it relates to those of us that actually lived thru the good old days of Monster movies did not go unnoticed.

I can't wait for the third installment.
07-23-2017 , 10:46 PM
Dunkirk = Antiseptic...
07-23-2017 , 10:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MSchu18
The Cary Treatment is fantastic... it really is. The visual style and camera work belies the fact that it was made in the early 70's. I think it is probably Colburns best work.

We need a 1970's movie draft.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/63...ht=1970s+draft
07-24-2017 , 12:24 AM
I destroyed that draft iirc with a Fassbinder-Ashly-Slap Shot trifecta.
07-24-2017 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by g-bebe
Lounge is I would say fairly divisive over Nolan but he shows his range in spades here. One of the best alive right now.
Not really opposing you on this point, but it's an interesting discussion. Limiting it to English language primarily off the top of my head, I think I'd still take both Andersons, Fincher, Coens, Linklater, Cuaron, and Scorsese over him, as far as whose movie I'd expect to enjoy and appreciate over the next random Nolan movie. Though I did love Dunkirk.
07-24-2017 , 01:06 AM
Dunkirk has not stayed with me at all. It's pretty anti-septic. Clovis may be right.
07-24-2017 , 06:57 AM
Really enjoyed Get Out. An interesting/original plot that is very well executed. I had no idea WTF was going on through most of it. Highly recommended.
07-24-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by legend42
Not really opposing you on this point, but it's an interesting discussion. Limiting it to English language primarily off the top of my head, I think I'd still take both Andersons, Fincher, Coens, Linklater, Cuaron, and Scorsese over him, as far as whose movie I'd expect to enjoy and appreciate over the next random Nolan movie. Though I did love Dunkirk.
I'd add QT n dominik to that list.
07-24-2017 , 12:19 PM
Lol at being confused over the Dunkirk timelines. Its so simple it was explained in six words total.

      
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