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02-07-2012, 05:03 AM
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Tripod
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Norma's Diner
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
I saw on Wipeout one night, a chick with the hyphenate of: Funke-Ho.
That's the greatest last name ever.
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02-07-2012, 08:16 AM
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#347
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veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The Friendly Libertarian
Posts: 3,044
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
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Originally Posted by leoslayer
no i was with her for 16yrs. we had numerous family tragedies over the last 8yrs including losing a baby and all 3 of our other children being involved in serious accidents.
i will never ever allow myself to get involved again to the point i would even live with a woman again much less get married.
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So...to recap...you lived with this woman for sixteen years, had four children with her, suffered incredible heartache together, but when she, a practicing doctor with a professional reputation, suggested that she would keep her last name, you told her to hit the bricks?
If I have this information correct, then a quick question: are you some kind of sociopath? This sounds like one of the most heartless actions I've heard about if the details of it are true. Is there more to the breakup? Apologies if I'm wrong, but I'm just going off the details you've given.
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02-07-2012, 09:36 AM
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#348
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,551
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
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Originally Posted by leoslayer
great point dom, i was just countering the point that successful professional independent women dont change their names. for example rococo stating that his wife is a published professor. a very impressive feat indeed.
in no means was my post supposed to be a brag in any shape or form. i apologize to anybody who felt it was.
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Your preference that your wife change her name is not what makes you provincial. A lot of people share that preference for whatever reason. What makes you provincial and a douche is your unwarranted assumption that I am a dickless candy ass in the eyes of others because I did not insist that my wife change her name.
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02-07-2012, 10:49 AM
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#349
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,679
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
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Originally Posted by leoslayer
well you might just have a ny centric view. i think that the majority of ppl in the country until they get to know somebody on a personal level will share my opinion.
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The majority of people in the country wouldn't share your opinion because they wouldn't have one. They just don't care if a husband and wife have different last names.
I don't think I have a NY centric view. I grew up in rural Minnesota, wnet to school in Iowa, started my career in North Dakota, continued in New Jersey, and am now in Virginia. No where did anyone care, or even comment on, if a couple had different last names.
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02-07-2012, 11:11 AM
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#350
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Smokin crack til stars comes back
Posts: 4,533
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
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Originally Posted by leoslayer
it makes you look extremely weak to other men to have a wife keep her name. .
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Originally Posted by leoslayer
but there will be a lot of guys that think you are a pussy over it or at the least see you as emasculated. whether or not you are or whether or not they tell you.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leoslayer
i think that the majority of ppl in the country until they get to know somebody on a personal level will share my opinion
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Originally Posted by leoslayer
if somebody wants to do it they can. but if i think about it if it was as mainstream as some posters make it sound then i would think id see more of it. ive only known 1 acquaintance in my life whos wife kept her name. but she introduced herself with his last name. or if they were announced to a group of ppl they were announced with his last name.
so nationally it seems to me the majority of women change their maiden name.
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Just because the majority of women change their names does not mean that they, their husbands, friends and family share your opinion that keeping their maiden name is emasculating to the man. It just doesn't follow.
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02-07-2012, 12:21 PM
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#351
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mortified by a dream
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 16,889
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Geez, dude. You sound like a douche.
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He just sounds like a guy with old-fashioned traditional beliefs. Not unlike many people I know.
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02-07-2012, 12:37 PM
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#352
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Smokin crack til stars comes back
Posts: 4,533
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
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Originally Posted by katyseagull
He just sounds like a guy with old-fashioned traditional beliefs. Not unlike many people I know.
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Old fashioned traditional women weren't world class athletes or doctors. They only went to college for their Mrs. degree. The last 50 years or so have been game changing.
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02-07-2012, 12:37 PM
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#353
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: maggie's farm
Posts: 1,012
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
deal breakers are for people who might marry someone they don't love unconditionally. maybe they want to marry for money, or children, or stability.
otherwise, if you love the person, then all the "conditions" that could break a deal will already be accounted for in the equation.
(e.g. "i could never marry someone who doesn't take my last name" would never need be said. two people who are truly in love would know each other well enough to either compromise or get over it.)
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02-07-2012, 01:05 PM
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#354
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Bangor
Posts: 25,286
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
ah, the old "no truly in love scotsman"
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02-07-2012, 01:45 PM
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#355
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 2,129
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
coffee, we dated and lived together for a year before we got married. last names were never talked about until a week or 2 before we got married. then she said she wanted to keep her last name. i said no i cant do that. if you cant take my name then we shouldnt get married.
everybody has deal breakers. wheel flush, what if your fiance told you she had sex with somebody else the week you were getting married? lots of ppl have deal breakers. i could prob give tons of examples.
rococo i said unless i knew you my first impression would probably fall under wimp. just like a lot of ppl get the impression that a fat person is lazy. and on and on.
and for those that said nobody has ever said anything to you about your wives last name, they wont.
esp in the south. we just dont openly insult people.
Last edited by leoslayer; 02-07-2012 at 01:55 PM.
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02-07-2012, 02:41 PM
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#356
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,551
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
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Originally Posted by leoslayer
rococo i said unless i knew you my first impression would probably fall under wimp. just like a lot of ppl get the impression that a fat person is lazy. and on and on.
and for those that said nobody has ever said anything to you about your wives last name, they wont.
esp in the south. we just dont openly insult people.
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I lived in the south for twenty years, and in NYC for the last eighteen. I literally have never heard anyone express the "you're a wimp" stereotype in the north or the south, either after I was married seven years ago, or at any time prior to being married. It's a peculiar prejudice of yours, not widely held. In any case, it's not a good enough reason to insist that my wife change her name.
Your idiosynchratic "wimp" stereotype is based on the assumption that every man secretly wants his wife to change her name. My wife didn't keep her name because I failed to "man up" and give her an ultimatum. Only a true idiot would make that assumption. My wife kept her name, among other reasons, because I didn't give a ****, and because it's her name to do with what she pleases. Amazingly enough, I also have never "manned up" and told her how to cut her hair, or what clothes to wear. I'll give her my opinion freely, but at the end of the day, she's a grown woman, not a ****ing housepet.
And lastly, of course people have different deal breakers. That doesn't mean that all deal breakers are equally valid.
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02-07-2012, 03:22 PM
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#357
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 15,115
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
not sure why so much hate going to leoslayer.
Its perfectly fine for him to have a dealbreaker. If his bride to be is not willing to accept his dealbreaker then she isn't the one for him. Its no different than any other dealbreaker that could occur between first date and marriage. I'm sure the many of you criticizing him now have declined to marry a person for a lot less.
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02-07-2012, 03:36 PM
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#358
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,679
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
leoslayer -
Would you feel less of a man if your wife made more money than you? How about a lot more and everybody knew it?
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02-07-2012, 03:57 PM
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#359
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 2,129
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
no i wouldnt. i did make more than her the entire time we were together except the last 8 mths we were together. she wanted to change jobs and needed to study for some boards.
i said sure ill reduce the size of the business down to my core accts so i only have to work 2 days a week. (she worked 3) that way i could take care of the children get them to school and all the other stuff needed and she could leave and study. did this she got new job, economy went to crap ( hard to rebuild) and 60 days later she is asking me why im not making more money lol. she thought it wasnt fair to her that she made more than me. it was plenty fair to her when i made more than her for 15yrs
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02-07-2012, 04:30 PM
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#360
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,551
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Re: Last Name Negotiations
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Originally Posted by amoeba
not sure why so much hate going to leoslayer.
Its perfectly fine for him to have a dealbreaker. If his bride to be is not willing to accept his dealbreaker then she isn't the one for him. Its no different than any other dealbreaker that could occur between first date and marriage. I'm sure the many of you criticizing him now have declined to marry a person for a lot less.
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So any dealbreaker is fine with you? What if he insisted that his spouse be a raging xenophobe? Would we be allowed to criticize that viewoint? Obviously that's a more extreme example, but your suggestion that everything amounts to a personal preference of equal validity is silly.
In any case, I am less concerned with his personal insistence that his wife change her name than I am with his idiotic views about those persons who have wives who kept their names.
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