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Old 03-02-2009, 09:54 AM   #126
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Re: Jazz: America's Music

Zeno,

That was a cool summary of latin-jazz. For years, I've been trying to learn more about the topic. Though I do know many of the albums you mentioned, I am still pretty ignorant in this regard. The language barrier is somewhat of a problem.
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Old 03-03-2009, 03:15 PM   #127
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A few more artists for anyone to check out:

Oscar Peterson
Charlie Christian
George Van Epps
Chick Corea
Tal Farlow
Getz
Early Benny Goodman
Barney Kessel
Fats Waller
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One guy that's not been mentioned (and is sadly neglected today) is Phineas Newborn. The performance here is solo piano, but the album mentioned (A World of Piano) is a mostly trio work (including Paul Chambers and Philly Joe Jones), and Newborn is equally adept at solo expression and interplay. Oscar Peterson considered him the best post bop pianist, and Leonard Feather called him one the three greatest jazz pianists of all time. Unfortunately, health problems (amongst other physical ailments, he had a nervous collapse, and was several times admitted to mental health facilities) prevented him from being very prolific.

The album listed, as well as The Great Jazz Piano of Phineas Newborn, Jr., both released in 1961, are highly recommended.

Also, like Wynton, I am horribly unaware of a lot of Latin jazz, although I love Diz's Afro-Cuban work. Once you get past Tito Puente and Mongo Santamaria (who was more R 'n' B based), I get lost easily, so any suggestions are appreciated.
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Other great Phineas albums include:



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Happy Birthday Jimmy Garrison!

Playing Afro-Blue with the John Coltrane quartet
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The interplay between Coltrane and McCoy Tyner in this video was similar to their work on "My Favorite Things".
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:02 PM   #132
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Check out "Braziliance". Laurindo Almeida & Bud Shank. Came out around 10 years or so before the Brazilian/Bossa Nova craze. 1953
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Happy Birthday to the underrated Rickey Ford

And here he is, in fine screeching form
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As I am typing this "Blue in Green" by Miles is playing on my radio. Bill Evans' work in this song is haunting. This song seems to be overlooked compared to the longer "hits" off of the Kind of Blue Record but it remains fascinating in it's own right.
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As I am typing this "Blue in Green" by Miles is playing on my radio. Bill Evans' work in this song is haunting. This song seems to be overlooked compared to the longer "hits" off of the Kind of Blue Record but it remains fascinating in it's own right.
There is a school of thought that Kind of Blue is better considered a "Bill Evans album," than a "Miles album," because Evans actually provided more of the core ideas.

I don't agree with this view, though. Similar claims have been about Miles' albums at different stages. For example, some say that Miles doesn't deserve so much credit for the innovations of his later quintets, with the rhythm section of Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter and Tony Williams, suggesting that all Miles did was hire young guys with new ideas. But even if he did not originate the ideas, Miles had the vision and ability to incorporate the ideas, bridge them with what came before and create a cohesive group.

Ultimately, all these types of arguments are somewhat fun, but kind of silly.
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There is a school of thought that Kind of Blue is better considered a "Bill Evans album," than a "Miles album," because Evans actually provided more of the core ideas.

I don't agree with this view, though. Similar claims have been about Miles' albums at different stages. For example, some say that Miles doesn't deserve so much credit for the innovations of his later quintets, with the rhythm section of Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter and Tony Williams, suggesting that all Miles did was hire young guys with new ideas. But even if he did not originate the ideas, Miles had the vision and ability to incorporate the ideas, bridge them with what came before and create a cohesive group.

Ultimately, all these types of arguments are somewhat fun, but kind of silly.
One of the things that made Miles, Miles is that he had quite the wandering ear and willingness to collaborate with a wide range of people. Take his work with Gil Evans. It is distinctive because of Evan's strong influence yet Miles is showcased in a way clearly different than his other work. Miles put his unique stamp on everything.
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Old 03-05-2009, 01:46 PM   #137
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OhboyOhboyOhboy. More Miles and Kind of Blue talk.

I wrote an article once on Miles that basically trumpeted the notion of his real genius being as a bandleader more than anything else, even an instrumentalist. He was able to take all those disparate components and turn them into something cohesive by bringing out out the best in each. He was the ultimate "quarterback", pushing his team into perfect execution, even on plays drawn up by others.

I promise that will be the last sports metaphor I use. Today, anyway.

I've heard that "Bill Evans Album" position a few times, and, while it is interesting, I pretty much dismiss it, too. Miles willingness to allow Evans (indeed, all of his bandmates) such wide berth, and gently steering them into a more expressive arena, was something only Miles could do with such consistency. And not just with this particular lineup, but with pretty much every band he led. As much as Ellington was said to "play his orchestra", so did Miles.
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Old 03-07-2009, 12:41 PM   #138
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You guys might enjoy Boston's local NPR jazz host, Eric Jackson, who has hosted "Jazz in the Evening" from 8-12 for almost thirty years. Typically, on Monday nights he will devote an entire show to one artist. Here's a link to WGBH's homepage, and you can also listen live if you'd like.


http://www.wgbh.org/jazz/
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:35 AM   #139
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The Pat Methany Group. I used to have their album 'Off Ramp'

Pat is not bad on Guitar:

Jazz Solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJPfB...eature=related


Duet with Antonio Sanchez: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWabR...eature=related


The Pat Matheny Group "Are You Going With Me?" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs2OB...eature=related


Pat on Guitar at workshop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5gCU...eature=related


Les Paul and Mary Ford (with some good advice for you women):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYlG7qb3iCs


Les Paul and Chet Aktins:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByGsH...eature=related

Chet Atkins and Friends:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Th5...eature=related

Doc Watson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdUrg...eature=related

I guess some of this was inspired by the gee-tar hero thread.

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Old 05-13-2009, 02:45 AM   #140
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I'm too lazy too read the whole thread but I really like Jimmy Smith, esp on Verve or Blue Note. Also Clark Terry is really good
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:42 PM   #141
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I'm just starting to get into jazz.

Grover Washington Jr. is currently my favorite jazz artist. I can listen to him all day but other jazz has bored me so far. I haven't seen Grover mentioned in this thread or other jazz threads on the net. Is there a reason for this? Mister Magic is just an unreal album imo.

Could anyone recommend me some similar artists to Grover?
The fusion era has been forgotten a little in this thread.

Bob James

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYajRoZ-LeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxhDxN2h46I


George Benson ("THE MAN" if you ask me)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QjTK0pL1go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKXXzJhhlhQ


George Duke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReGGP...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC4btN6RYag

amongst many many others
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Old 09-03-2009, 06:18 PM   #142
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wow, best thread in 2+2 ever!!!

I am a jazz trombonist and composer myself- It's awfully refreshing to see a thread like this let me say first of all.

I noticed a few posts ago, an excellent introductory summary of latin jazz. I am a specialist in this area of jazz as of late, and am involved in a project that has recorded some music, and am recording more very soon. It's an afro-cuban jazz project mostly.

Anyways, good stuff posted here- I had no idea there were jazz fans on 2+2!!
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Old 09-04-2009, 01:00 AM   #143
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I was a jazz musician - still am - but I'm no longer pro. I play the drums, and I got my degree from Manhattan School of Music - I lived and played in the jazz scene in NYC for quite a while before trying to make it as big fish in a small pond rather than vise-versa.

It's interesting to hear about blue-train. I was playing with that record when I was in Junior high. I loved Philly's double time groove during the solos - when I first heard that I was like: WTF??? But I eventually got it. Lee's solo on the record - I can still hear it my head as my wife snores away - man that's the **** -

Oddly, as musicians, we don't really play "Blue Train" (the tune) all that often - it's not a standard per se. I think the most widely played/covered song on that record is "Moment's Notice" - and man now there are so many variations. That's a great tune.

I would recommend if you like Blue Trane, check out Cannonball Adderly's "Minority" - it's a very similar feel to that post-bop NYC genre of the fifties that is mirrored in Kinda Blue and Blue Train. In fact, I kind of liked "Minority" more than these other records - that's a great record. These were my three favorite records when I started playing jazz in the seventh grade - and they're still a favorite - but I don't think I've listened to them in over fifteen years or more. Now I only listen to newer younger artists playing more modern avante guardy stuff coming out of NYC.

BTW - Ken burns IS NOT the authority on Jazz - his documentary upset the jazz community very much. We actually tout it as the Wynton Marsailas show! IOW - the documentary made it look like white jazz musicians and black jazz musicians hated each other (couldn't be farther from the truth) and white jazz musicians (especially on the west coast) were FoS anyway. It seemed very one-sided. In fact, the way to tell if someone isn't a jazz musician is if they liked Ken Burns' doc LOL. I'm just joking there - but my point is that his documentary angered a lot of "cats" in the jazz community that's all. The whole race issue in jazz is moot anyway cuz without slavery we wouldn't even have this great american artform. Race is absolutely not an issue with musicians - if you can play you can play. That's how Miles Davis felt. It's the authors and movie makers - like Quincy Troupe (a real racist) and Ken Burns - blow the race issue way out of proportion. It's a load of garbage. Enough on that for now.

Thanks for this thread! More to come later
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One guy that's not been mentioned (and is sadly neglected today) is Phineas Newborn. The performance here is solo piano, but the album mentioned (A World of Piano) is a mostly trio work (including Paul Chambers and Philly Joe Jones), and Newborn is equally adept at solo expression and interplay. Oscar Peterson considered him the best post bop pianist, and Leonard Feather called him one the three greatest jazz pianists of all time. Unfortunately, health problems (amongst other physical ailments, he had a nervous collapse, and was several times admitted to mental health facilities) prevented him from being very prolific.

The album listed, as well as The Great Jazz Piano of Phineas Newborn, Jr., both released in 1961, are highly recommended.

Also, like Wynton, I am horribly unaware of a lot of Latin jazz, although I love Diz's Afro-Cuban work. Once you get past Tito Puente and Mongo Santamaria (who was more R 'n' B based), I get lost easily, so any suggestions are appreciated.
Phineas was known as "Finest" Newborn - I personally enjoy him more than Oscar.

Have you checked out "WE THREE" w/ ROY HAYNES & PAUL CHAMBERS? That's easily one of my favorite records...

Another great pianist, but totally different was/is AHMAD JAMAL. He was actually Miles' favorite pianist. This is my favorite album of his: Live at the Pershing.

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I would recommend if you like Blue Trane, check out Cannonball Adderly's "Minority" - it's a very similar feel to that post-bop NYC genre of the fifties that is mirrored in Kinda Blue and Blue Train. In fact, I kind of liked "Minority" more than these other records - that's a great record.
I actually got the name of this record wrong. It's Portrait Of Cannonball. Minority was my favorite tune on there!
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:40 AM   #146
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Since this thread was bumped, I was a little embarrassed to admit that I hadn't listened to Ellington's Live at Newport 56 album that Kudzu touted so highly. I have recently remedied that. Holy ****. I don't know why some of these aren't the definitive recordings played by lindy hoppers at dances, but I'm going to fix that.
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I was a jazz musician - still am - but I'm no longer pro. I play the drums, and I got my degree from Manhattan School of Music - I lived and played in the jazz scene in NYC for quite a while before trying to make it as big fish in a small pond rather than vise-versa.

It's interesting to hear about blue-train. I was playing with that record when I was in Junior high. I loved Philly's double time groove during the solos - when I first heard that I was like: WTF??? But I eventually got it. Lee's solo on the record - I can still hear it my head as my wife snores away - man that's the **** -

Oddly, as musicians, we don't really play "Blue Train" (the tune) all that often - it's not a standard per se. I think the most widely played/covered song on that record is "Moment's Notice" - and man now there are so many variations. That's a great tune.

I would recommend if you like Blue Trane, check out Cannonball Adderly's "Minority" - it's a very similar feel to that post-bop NYC genre of the fifties that is mirrored in Kinda Blue and Blue Train. In fact, I kind of liked "Minority" more than these other records - that's a great record. These were my three favorite records when I started playing jazz in the seventh grade - and they're still a favorite - but I don't think I've listened to them in over fifteen years or more. Now I only listen to newer younger artists playing more modern avante guardy stuff coming out of NYC.

BTW - Ken burns IS NOT the authority on Jazz - his documentary upset the jazz community very much. We actually tout it as the Wynton Marsailas show! IOW - the documentary made it look like white jazz musicians and black jazz musicians hated each other (couldn't be farther from the truth) and white jazz musicians (especially on the west coast) were FoS anyway. It seemed very one-sided. In fact, the way to tell if someone isn't a jazz musician is if they liked Ken Burns' doc LOL. I'm just joking there - but my point is that his documentary angered a lot of "cats" in the jazz community that's all. The whole race issue in jazz is moot anyway cuz without slavery we wouldn't even have this great american artform. Race is absolutely not an issue with musicians - if you can play you can play. That's how Miles Davis felt. It's the authors and movie makers - like Quincy Troupe (a real racist) and Ken Burns - blow the race issue way out of proportion. It's a load of garbage. Enough on that for now.

Thanks for this thread! More to come later
nice post. I lived and worked in NYC for a while also, before relocating to California. Agree about Ken Burns documentary- it also sucks because it is wayyyy too 40s and 50s- centric, and doesn't focus nearly enough as it should to the music since 1960- not to mention it almost ignores latin jazz.

and yeah minority is a great tune!!
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nice post.
hey thanks bro!

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I lived and worked in NYC for a while also, before relocating to California. Agree about Ken Burns documentary- it also sucks because it is wayyyy too 40s and 50s- centric, and doesn't focus nearly enough as it should to the music since 1960- not to mention it almost ignores latin jazz.
Oh yeah - If it's my recollection they dedicated a couple of episodes to Louie Armstrong??? That extra tape coulda covered latin jazz and the fusion era.

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and yeah minority is a great tune!!
They do a pretty standard version of Nardis as well - it's killin!
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Blue Train one of the best
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The fusion era has been forgotten a little in this thread.
speaking of fusion, I know Jack Johnson was mentioned earlier in the thread -- the Complete Jack Johnson Sessions are worth checking out for jams like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY5Zp9hIicY (I'm a huge Miles fan and he got me into jazz.. )

I was disappointed going through the thread that there is no mention of Grant Green! He has an amazing tone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ_g3ZuLDSg. I only have Alive!, Idle Moments, and Matador but would recommend all three.

kudzudemon's short list on the first page is good. Mingus Ah Um and Out To Lunch! are really good and maybe overlooked by the "average" jazz fan.
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