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02-23-2016 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Trying to get slimmer than everybody else to maintain the ideal frame at 13 years old is nuts.
Maybe. But it's far less nuts than giving your children Type II diabetes at 13 by encouraging them to stuff their fat faces full of junk food all day long from birth, like millions of American parents do.
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02-23-2016 , 01:04 PM
Plus he doesn't even like the show!
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02-23-2016 , 06:41 PM
Ehh. I won't speak for other people, but my view is this :

Fat girls don't annoy me. Fat girls that tell me what I should find attractive do.
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02-25-2016 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Ehh. I won't speak for other people, but my view is this :

Fat girls don't annoy me. Fat girls that tell me what I should find attractive do.
Pretty much agree.

Honestly at this point the shaming is usually directed at thin women (now the minority) by overweight women (now the majority). It is healthier to be thin, but there is social pressure not to be. I get it, anorexia is not cool... but not every thin woman is anorexic. But the term anorexic is used (usually by "real" - aka overweight - women) to disparage people who care about their health enough to eat vegetables and normal sized portions.

Even the term "real" women is a kind-of insult, as if a thin person is more "fake". Is the thin SI swimsuit model any less real than the plus-sized one? Of course not. She just eats less.
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03-01-2016 , 10:15 AM
All this fake 'celebration' of disgusting fatties is nothing more than a reflection of their growing (lol) influence in society.

They have become a sizeable (lol) special interest group.

Pandering to fat people is now a very profitable business. When like 50% of the country is overweight or obese, businesses are going to exploit the hell out of that. Fat $$$ is every bit as good as any other money.

Much like with cigarettes, alcohol, or anything else, the market is completely amoral. The market doesn't care about health or anything positive for society in general, just about the bottom line.

That's where all these bull**** terms came from, aka you can't be a "real" woman unless you are at least 30 lb overweight, and terms like "curvy" being co-opted by the borderline obese.

It's all a charade though and fatties are deep down aware of this as well. That's why they are so hyper sensitive to anything that reminds them of the truth.
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03-01-2016 , 10:36 AM
SI put the fatso in their magazine for purely PR's sake.

Let's face it, SI's Swimsuit issue is nothing more than really, really softcore porn. It always has been.

Feminists and the PC police have also probably been fighting like hell to stop the swimsuit issue altogether. This was actually a pretty crafty move on their part, they can claim to be about like 'empowerment' or some such bull****. Meanwhile like 14 of their 15-16 models are still super hot and basically naked, and they tuck a few token pics of a fatso in, doing their absolute best to hide how fat she is.
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03-01-2016 , 10:40 AM
I feel you
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03-01-2016 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
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Even the term "real" women is a kind-of insult, as if a thin person is more "fake".
This annoys me a lot too.

Also that a lot of people think the word 'healthy' is a subjective term.
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03-01-2016 , 03:09 PM
Yep, healthy is of course a very broad range thing, with lots of wiggle room, but it's also a scientific term.

You can be +/- like 15-20 lb from your "ideal" body weight and still be totally healthy, but once you get outside that range it's scientifically provable that it's not healthy. And obviously the further you go, the more unhealthy it gets.

There are delusional fools out there (the Healthy at Any Size crowd) that claim you can be perfectly healthy at almost any body weight (thus the term). You have 300 lb blimps seeking out crackpot websites that confirm their delusions, much like the anti-vax idiots.

Ironically the internet has helped ushered in a new golden age of science denial.

It's just confirmation bias in another form. People make up their minds what they want to be true and then go find "information" that supports their preconceived beliefs.

Ya'll should all check out reddit's fatlogic sub, it's a hilarious ongoing collection of the twisted mental gymnastics some fat people are reduced to to live with themselves.
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03-01-2016 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill
Yep, healthy is of course a very broad range thing, with lots of wiggle room, but it's also a scientific term.

You can be +/- like 15-20 lb from your "ideal" body weight and still be totally healthy, but once you get outside that range it's scientifically provable that it's not healthy. And obviously the further you go, the more unhealthy it gets.

There are delusional fools out there (the Healthy at Any Size crowd) that claim you can be perfectly healthy at almost any body weight (thus the term). You have 300 lb blimps seeking out crackpot websites that confirm their delusions, much like the anti-vax idiots.

Ironically the internet has helped ushered in a new golden age of science denial.

It's just confirmation bias in another form. People make up their minds what they want to be true and then go find "information" that supports their preconceived beliefs.

Ya'll should all check out reddit's fatlogic sub, it's a hilarious ongoing collection of the twisted mental gymnastics some fat people are reduced to to live with themselves.
In extreme cases, it is possible for massively obese people to be healthy. For example, I would wager that a typical NFL defensive lineman is far healthier than myself despite the fact that I'm at least 100 pounds lighter than one. Of course, they are unlikely to post selfies about how fat is more beautiful than thin.

The problem is that these selfie-posting obese narcissists conflate health and beauty. While some of the negative comments they face are genuinely hurtful, others are merely pointing out that being proud of being unhealthy is not a good thing. The narcissist does not see the difference and assumes that all negative comments are the same. After all, the selfie posting wasn't there to make a social statement about body image. That's merely a cover for the fact that it was posted to fish for complements from their equally obese friends who are just feeding their egos with nonsense rather than working to improve themselves.

On top of their complement fishing, they then use that false assurance from their fat friends to shame people who are skinny regardless if they are just genetically skinny (thin hips, bones etc) or if they actually take care of their bodies. Given that the obesity rate is increasing, there may be a point where thin girls are stigmatized rather than the other way around because of how outnumbered they will be. Imagine BBW porn being the norm while thin girls become the fetish. Ick.
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03-01-2016 , 07:13 PM
I may never come back to America in that case Bob.
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03-02-2016 , 08:21 AM
I wouldn't worry about that. Because despite what fatties will tell you, what is found physically attractive is not some grand artificial construct of society. We don't find 20 year olds hotter than 60 year olds just because society tells us to.

Millions of years of evolution have baked preferences into people's brains and subconscious when it comes to what is deemed sexually attractive and what isn't.

Societal tastes and fads do come and go, but they are pretty minor compared to animal instincts.

Reality is in front of us every day. A healthy person can run farther, faster, etc. They have more energy, vitality, etc. They are demonstrating their better health for the world and that's more powerful than any PC media campaign.
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03-02-2016 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
I may never come back to America in that case Bob.
But PornHub and XHamster span international borders. Everybody would get a faceful of BBW porn.
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03-02-2016 , 10:54 PM
the asian sites wont be on that trend, of this much im sure.
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03-03-2016 , 05:04 PM
grunch (ldo, like anyone's going to read 838 responses!)

Take a moment to Google Lindita Halimi. She lost 150 pounds as part of her preparation to audition for American Idol. Her "after" pics are smoking, blazing hot. I remember thinking, would a guy deserve her who totally ignored her when she was fat?

But then, in the span of less than a month, I was on the opposite side of that coin. My wife dumped me, and one of the many emotions I felt was fear - how diverse are the dating opportunities going to be for a nerdy 43-year-old single father who weighs 270 (and it's ALL fat)? So I used it as motivation to lose weight. Would a woman deserve me once I got in shape who would otherwise not even have noticed me when I wasn't? The more pertinent question - WOULD I CARE?!?!?!?!?!? Honestly, probably not. I'd be worried about what woudl happen if I lost my discipline and gained all the weight back though.

The last thing I'll say is that when one is way overweight (like 150 pounds in Lindita's case and maybe 70 in mine), the sacrifice, self-discipline and dedication it takes to totally transform oneself is astronomical. To do what she did is very, very, very, very hard and she deserves TREMENDOUS praise.

Thoughts and reactions welcome.

Last edited by DalTXColtsFan; 03-03-2016 at 05:10 PM.
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03-03-2016 , 05:24 PM
I never got fat in the first place

Why does she deserve credit but I don't?
Shouldn't I receive much more praise for taking care of myself for my entire life than a fat slob that needed a life changing opportunity to motivate them?
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03-03-2016 , 05:40 PM
from my limited interactions with fat people, i've noticed that they've become remarkably more uppity in the past year or so

anyone else noticing this?
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03-03-2016 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by steve1238
I never got fat in the first place

Why does she deserve credit but I don't?
Shouldn't I receive much more praise for taking care of myself for my entire life than a fat slob that needed a life changing opportunity to motivate them?
This is actually a totally legitimate question, quite a surprise coming from a shehawks fan .

I never said you *don't* deserve credit. But clearly, she *does*.

Out of curiosity, how hard do you have to work to look the way you want to look? I think it could be argued that it makes a difference.

As a Colts fan, I remember a story where Marvin Harrison and Tony McCoy (a backup defensive tackle) were roommates at training camp, and Tony had to move out because it was impossible for him to maintain his playing weight while rooming with Marvin. The reason was, Marvin was somehow able to eat boxes and bushels of Twinkies and still somehow remain not just chilseled but one of the fastest players in the NFL. I'm sure Marvin worked out and trained, don't get me wrong, but I'm not nearly as impressed by someone who can eat whatever he wants whenever he wants and still stay fit as I am with someone who has to sacrifice to look that way.
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03-03-2016 , 08:06 PM
I'm sure that burying the bodies of the people he murdered burned some calories.
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03-03-2016 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
but I'm not nearly as impressed by someone who can eat whatever he wants whenever he wants and still stay fit as I am with someone who has to sacrifice to look that way.
You're operating under the false premise that this is possible.
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03-03-2016 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
from my limited interactions with fat people, i've noticed that they've become remarkably more uppity in the past year or so

anyone else noticing this?
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03-03-2016 , 09:39 PM
Fattie who took a series of photos of her with thinner people who are supposedly fat-shaming her by looking at her. This chick is not exactly easy on the eyes, you've been warned.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/20...eive_body.html
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03-03-2016 , 09:45 PM
losing a ton of weight is objectively harder than maintaining a certain weight. good on ya coltfan that take a lot of effort and persistence
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03-03-2016 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan

Out of curiosity, how hard do you have to work to look the way you want to look? I think it could be argued that it makes a difference.
I feel your question. Personally I bust my ass, but that's not the point you want to make.

My response is that life isn't fair. Just like some ppl have to be uggos, some ppl don't metabolize like others. That doesn't excuse them from needing to look like a human being.

I'm unfairly harsh and judgmental, I know. Empathy isn't a trait of mine. However, most don't deserve compassion in my opinion, because their horrible choices are often what put them in the position to need to lose a **** load of weight in the first place.
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03-04-2016 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by kioshk
Fattie who took a series of photos of her with thinner people who are supposedly fat-shaming her by looking at her. This chick is not exactly easy on the eyes, you've been warned.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/20...eive_body.html
If only this manatee put all this effort into working out.
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