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02-09-2009, 10:29 AM
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
Lol. That does make me sympathize with him much more, however mashing up all the those events together influences one's opinion much more than showing the other events that grey the area a bit. Gaeta is the most sympathetic character on the show, IMO. He just gets **** on left and right, all while trying to do the right thing. He still has to die, though.
That said, Adama over-reached his authority in forcing the technology on the ships.
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02-09-2009, 01:05 PM
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#257
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Tripod
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
That said, Adama over-reached his authority in forcing the technology on the ships.
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I don't agree with this....they need to find a new home - quickly. Or else, they're just going to float in space until they run out of resources. The Cylon FTL drives give them the best chance to do that.
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02-09-2009, 03:30 PM
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#258
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
I'd also like to say that as much as Gaeta witnessed he's gone way overboard. You don't get to execute anybody in your way because you've gone all cylonicide. Trying to assassinate your President simply because her voicing an opinion would muss up your revolt is just batty.
Just get a teddy-bear, Gaeta, and cry your eyes out. It's less deadly.
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Originally Posted by Dominic
I don't agree with this....they need to find a new home - quickly. Or else, they're just going to float in space until they run out of resources. The Cylon FTL drives give them the best chance to do that.
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IIRC they can't run out of resources. Also, they have their own FTL. The reason they wanted the Cylon technology would be to jump quicker, and farther. The tech change wasn't necessary for survival in an immediate sense. Switching into martial law (effectively) would require extreme circumstances, of which they weren't in.
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02-09-2009, 03:40 PM
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Tripod
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
IIRC they can't run out of resources. Also, they have their own FTL. The reason they wanted the Cylon technology would be to jump quicker, and farther. The tech change wasn't necessary for survival in an immediate sense. Switching into martial law (effectively) would require extreme circumstances, of which they weren't in.
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Of course their resources are severely limited...they've said so all along. Being able to jump quicker and farther is incredibly important if they're going to find a hospitable planet.
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02-09-2009, 04:17 PM
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
This show is remarkable. After
I was sad when it actually happened. The arcs for these characters is epic. Each arc runs from one end of the emotional spectrum to the other. Somebody like Baltar can go from horribly selfish to somebody I can empathize with, while retaining flashes of his self-interest which never ceases to amuse me when it shows up.
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Of course their resources are severely limited...they've said so all along. Being able to jump quicker and farther is incredibly important if they're going to find a hospitable planet.
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Limited resources is different than running out. In the beginning of the series they mentioned something about being self-sustainable, but I'm not sure about that. Either way, there are many things they could do to increase their chances, but that doesn't give Adama the right to force the fleet by gunpoint. The decision isn't find a home or die, Adama cannot disregard the chain of command when he deems it necessary.
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02-09-2009, 07:56 PM
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
Limited resources is different than running out. In the beginning of the series they mentioned something about being self-sustainable, but I'm not sure about that. Either way, there are many things they could do to increase their chances, but that doesn't give Adama the right to force the fleet by gunpoint. The decision isn't find a home or die, Adama cannot disregard the chain of command when he deems it necessary.
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Only galactica is semi self-sustaining iirc. It filters and recycles water, etc. Even then they needed to reload supplies after some (year?) amount of time. The rest of the fleet isn't supposed to be nearly as efficient. Additionally tillium (sp?) has to be mined from somewhere and is just refined in the tillium ship (one episode has them looking for tillium). I agree, that Roselyn should have been the one to insist that all ships must use the cylon FTL drives, but she was sort of out of commission. for a while there.
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02-09-2009, 08:37 PM
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
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Only galactica is semi self-sustaining iirc. It filters and recycles water, etc. Even then they needed to reload supplies after some (year?) amount of time. The rest of the fleet isn't supposed to be nearly as efficient. Additionally tillium (sp?) has to be mined from somewhere and is just refined in the tillium ship (one episode has them looking for tillium). I agree, that Roselyn should have been the one to insist that all ships must use the cylon FTL drives, but she was sort of out of commission. for a while there.
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The Galactica is going to be either intentionally destroyed or will break apart. The massive crack in the hull in the FTL bays and the crack we know Adama' sees based on the promo stuff are just the beginnings of the ships demise.
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02-09-2009, 10:05 PM
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
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Originally Posted by swingdoc
Only galactica is semi self-sustaining iirc. It filters and recycles water, etc. Even then they needed to reload supplies after some (year?) amount of time. The rest of the fleet isn't supposed to be nearly as efficient. Additionally tillium (sp?) has to be mined from somewhere and is just refined in the tillium ship (one episode has them looking for tillium). I agree, that Roselyn should have been the one to insist that all ships must use the cylon FTL drives, but she was sort of out of commission. for a while there.
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Water comes from another ship, but you're probably correct, though, with respect to the rest of the necessary resources; however, it does still not give Adama the right to set aside chain of command. Aside from the fact that you're simply stirring the hornets nest, it's morally bankrupt since there is no dire need for the Cylon FTL.
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02-10-2009, 01:10 PM
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
The arcs for these characters is epic. Each arc runs from one end of the emotional spectrum to the other. Somebody like Baltar can go from horribly selfish to somebody I can empathize with, while retaining flashes of his self-interest which never ceases to amuse me when it shows up.
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I laughed. Was the first time he made me do that in a while.
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02-12-2009, 03:05 AM
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
Wow these last two episodes have been some of the most exciting TV in the last couple of years.
I'm convinced Ellen is not the fifth cylon in the sense meant in this series. They're pulling a fast one with that.
It's definitely Adama or Roslyn.
I'm thinking Roslyn now, because for Adama there are some strong contraindications to this (he has offspring for example and must be known to lots of people throughout his life given his military career), whilst Roslyn has none or very little.
The only strong indication that it is Adama now is the fact the models were based on archetypes of the Gods, and he fits Zeus to a tee.
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02-12-2009, 03:07 AM
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#266
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Tripod
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
I think Roslyn and Adama are human and will remain that way....Starbuck is the key.
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02-12-2009, 03:18 AM
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
She is the key to something
But I'm sure one of those two is the fifth and the final drama will revolve around epic betrayal vs acceptance
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02-12-2009, 03:36 AM
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
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But I'm sure one of those two is the fifth
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...still no.
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02-12-2009, 10:33 AM
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
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Originally Posted by Dominic
I think Roslyn and Adama are human and will remain that way....Starbuck is the key.
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Someone's letting their love for Starbuck cloud their judgment...
I still think it's Adama...but I won't bet on it anymore.
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02-12-2009, 01:06 PM
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Tripod
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Re: Battlestar Galactica - Final Season
someone's not paying attention if they think Starbuck isn't the key to everything.
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