She had a pager. I think people think he should have paged her, not that he would have called her home phone.

Looks like Jay provided misleading edited screen shots to the intercept. Pretty hilarious that they don't even check the validly before publishing. The whole Jay interview was a joke.

what do you mean?

Is this really happening? I haven't seen anyone heralding Serial as a great piece of "investigative journalism". It's certainly a great achievement in the sense of reaching a massive amount of people as an entertainment piece (or cultural touchstone, if you like). But I can't see someone making a serious case that this is the story of the year from an investigative journalism point of view. What great breakthrough did she make? She discovered that a person doing a life sentence for murder 15 years ago was convicted on less than compelling evidence. This is a good story, but the structure of the podcast suggests that she backed into that story because her initial attempt at the "prove he's innocent" story failed.

I don't mean to come across as too critical of the host of the show, but when someone accuses her of bad journalism I don't think a fair or reasonable argument is that she's actually achieved this massive journalism success. I don't think either extreme is true.

I heard or read pieces in the nyt, slate and on the media raving about the show. In fact I can only think of one negative piece in the mainstream media and that was before the series ended. It's also making many best of 2014 lists.

Of course the show has detractors but my point, perhaps using a little too much hyperbole, was that it's idiotic to argue Koneig has ruined her reputation by creating the show; outside of a few crazy right-wing internet nuts.

The guy on the other end of the screenshots used by the Intercept is claiming that Jay edited them to remove parts that make himself look bad. He is asking the Infercept to set the record straight. Search Catterwhy on Reddit.

Also, everyone involved is denying any connection between Reddit and Serial even though Jay claims some big conspiracy.

Cliffs, Jay is pretty clearly a pathological liar.

Thanks. I didn't interpret all that feedback as being praise for the quality of the journalism, but rather praise of the production as a consumable podcast. It's not like she busted this thing wide open, a la Woodward and Bernstein. Maybe I'm being too harsh.

I certainly agree with that.

This is a good point. Serial certainly didn't reach the levels of something like A Thin Blue Line which resulted in the person being released from prison. By that measure it failed, at least so far. I doubt though that any journalist would make that their standard of success given the unlikelyhood of success. Serial did bring the case to light, created a nationwide debate on the criminal justice system and pushed a new medium (podcasts) into the mainstream. It's hard to argue by that measure if was not a huge success.

Clovis, do you believe Adnan is innocent?

I already said, I have no idea. If I was betting I would say 60/40 yes although he almost certainly played some role in her murder.

The fact that she gets praised by some parts of her audience says a lot more about her audience than it does about her show.

Part 3 of the Jay interview: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...speaks-part-3/

Jay is a pathological liar because people on Reddit ARE NOT saying horrific things about him on there? Have you been even been to the Serial Reddit? What the hell are you even talking about?

I also like how you just make a one sentence statement that Jay was lying about the Reddit stuff with no link, no name, no way of finding out what you are talking about.

I realize both reading and searching are difficult but try reading one more time.

When it comes to "reading", I generally skip the nonsense that you post in this thread. Now you are giving people homework to support your "Jay lied about Reddit" position. I'll pass.

Facts are just the worst hey.

Is that screenshot supposed to mean something to anybody? I don't even know what you are trying to get at here, and I doubt anybody else is getting it either. How about instead of being smug and trying to play "gotcha", you give an actual explanation for what you are arguing?

I'm am perhaps unfairly picking out this bolded part (I agree with your overall statement here) but I think she said in the podcast that she did expect to find that there was a critical failure in the defense that would exonerate Adnan, in particular right from the start she thought the Asia letters would clear him outright. A big (unintentional) theme of the podcast is that latching on to an expectation at the beginning of an investigation is a bad idea, although such attachment is perfectly human and understandable.

Ok I'll save you the increasingly difficult task of googling the screen name I provided.

A reditor warned Jay that some other crazy reditor was going to confront him. They have a conversation on Facebook which is the screen shot above. Jay, or his wife, provide said screenshot to Intercept as evidence of his harassment (if you read the subeeddit it's clear he is getting harrased). However, before he provides the screenshot he edits it to remove something that makes him look bad, according to the person in the other end of the conversation. Said reditor does not want to expose what Jay edited as he feels it has legal ramifications he just wants Intercept to remove the obviously false screen shot. So far this has not happened.

I agree. She did want to exonerate him, I just don't think she would have argued that was her sole measure of success. To be fair to her, while it did seem like she had her opinion at "the beginning" of the podcast let's remember that was in fact a year into her investigation.

Firstly,thank you for finally providing some explanation for your argument. You have had an account on this forum for almost nine years. You should know by now that making people search for your argument is not acceptable.

Second of all, you said that editing a screenshot makes Jay a pathological liar. The point of that screenshot is to show that Jay is being harassed by people on Reddit, and that they even have his address to do it with. Editing out any part of Jay's response does not change that. What part of the editing makes him a liar?

If I had to guess, I would say that Jay edited out an expletive or threat. The guy posting his address on a public forum saying that he is going to confront Jay does not have the moral high ground, regardless of what Jay said.

Has Reddit had any positive impact on this case? A screenshot that has been shortened to hide superfluous/sensitive information is a non-starter in terms of controversy.

I've clicked on their Serial forum once and most of the posters seemed brainwashed or 9/11 Conspiracy theorist types. The fact that Reddit allowed these types of users to post Jay's personal information and then Jay's family started being stalked does not speak well to Reddit being a positive influence.

Reddit certainly had a huge, huge negative impact trying to solve the Boston bombing.

Again the guy posting his address is not the same person as the one warning him. Yes, providing a journalist edited screenshots is lying by any definition of the word.

Here is my evidence to call him a liar, for the record;

He admits to lying many times since the murder including as recently as his intercept interview including providing at least 4 separate time lines to date, none of which can be true based on the cell records,

He provided an edited screenshot

He claims Koenig released personal information to Reddit, something denied by all aides and in fact makes no sense

He claims to have been fired due to the podcast but at the same time says 5 other people were fired.

At a minimum we can argue he has a lose affiliation with the truth. That doesn't make him a murderer, by any means, but does further cast doubt on Adnan's conviction.

P.s. It sounds like he might have been talking about having weapons in his edited screenshot.

I have been following the subreddit from the start and would say it had little to no impact on the case and probably had a net negative impact. For the record, Reddit is not a pre-modded site so the mods cannot stop people from posting anything they can only remove it which they did.

There are some good posters on the subreddit but most are terrible which does not differentiate it from the internet as a whole.

ZOMG! Sorry, I don't get this. Also, by "editing" you imply that he doctored the screenshot or whatever. He just blacked out some words. We don't even know what those words were.

His personal info WAS being leaked to people. I trust Koenig not to do that, do I trust Rabia though?

He doesn't say that, he speculates that maybe it had something to do with it. He doesn't know and there's no way of knowing.

I've have yet to hear any even remotely believable alternative theory about what went down that day that doesn't involve Adnan killing Hae.

He's being harassed, people are hanging outside his house, are videotaping him so maybe mentions that he has a gun. like I don't know how many other Americans. I don't think that's so strange and incriminating. I also understand he doesn't want the world to see this so he blacks it out.

Ok guys if you are going to get into a debate how about doing the absolute minimum of research first.

The screenshot above is not the one Jay provided to Intercept, it's the UNEDITED one provided on reddit.

I'll make this easy look at the one I linked to and the one in the intercept story. See the difference?


This has nothing to do with whether he was lying which he admits he was, many times.