Of course. I'd be worried about the man/woman that can't be friends with the opposite sex. If you are not immature/desperate (some) women make great friends.

That's a very firm and clear old school stance. I was wondering how many men still held this position these days. I think most families actually need both incomes to maintain their standard of living these days, but I'm sure many could do without some "extras" if they had to or chose to live on one.

I guess broadly speaking so far, most of the responders want the lady to work for personal fulfillment and her own sense of accomplishment, but most do not want to be fully reliant on getting that second income.

I wonder if that's a fair summary or if there are sharply differing views.

if you want kids and you want a decent home, usually both of you have to work, I agree.

So...dates: do you pay, split, or take turns? Is there a "norm" in your culture/background? Do you do something different in a new situation than a longer more comfortable one?

I've dated the first two types, the third way is more how I do it with platonic friends (female).

That answer would differ depending on the crowd you're asking, of course. I think young, well-off white males(whether or not because they're still living with their parents) are vastly over-represented here. So are intelligent people of either sex, who are more likely to be able to support a family by themselves simply on that basis.

Society has changed enough, though, that the days of moms who stay at home, maybe even forever and maybe even without ever having held a job, are over for more than a minority, though. The only women I know/have known like that have a lot of money. Most families simply need two working partners.

There is an exception at the poorer end of the Mexicans and Central Americans I've known, though. In my experience anyway, a higher percentage of them really don't care how low their standard of living is; the woman just stays home because in their minds that's what women do, or what they should be able to do if they want to. Even if they don't have any babies, or they are all grown. Most people, though, aren't either that insistent on tradition or that comfy with a low standard of living or just doing nothing.

Mostly I just try to find higher ground, preferably obscured by a few trees. That way, I can let gravity do most of the work.

You should already know my stance.

If you don't, even platonic female friends, I pay for. It may be a southern thing. When my friends and I go out, no female there ever has to pay for a thing, it gets taken care of by the males.

I dunno why, it's just who I am, I guess. I take care of females that are in good standing with me.

Split or take turns, I really don't see why the man should always pay in this day and age. I mean I obv pay if I invite her.

I just leave before the bill arrives.

just speaking from my own experience there is no way we could have survived on only 1 wage with how costly kids are

This hasn't been lost on me sir!!

I did know of course, but I don't get a chance to ask the other guys as much, so I wanted to see the broad range from different upbringings and countries. I think 11beat's view is more common with Dutch, Scandi countries, etc, but I'm not sure.

Most girls I know find guys who always want to pay for everything quite creepy afaik.

Here man pays in 99% of the time. At least at first few dates and some time after it. Split never comes in relationship and really really rare on dates. Turns is something like agreement thing when two are together for long enough. Than it's more like: "I'll take care of this" which means absolutely nothing.

it's just another euro - US difference

I still pay her to leave after the sex obv.