THANK YOU!

so many ad hominem arguments being made against me ITT lol. instead of trying to help me understand you tell everybody how smart you think you are and that im a mental dimwit. good for you buddy.

so my friend had a neuralendocrine problem when he wanted to become a woman after hurting his dick?? i think he damaged his dick but maybe your right and he damaged his chromosome??? as someone smarter than everyone else, are you ever wrong??

no, transgender people identify as the opposite sex before surgery, those people have a lower suicide rate than transgender people who have the surgery ie Bruce Jenner was less likely to commit suicide than Caitlyn Jenner is. hence surgery is not a cure. Of course the argument can be made that those who get the surgery have more issues.

That's not what you said though. Stop changing the narrative to suit your own political needs.

guys, where are the memes

op, upon re-thinking i was kind of abrasive. as an olive branch, i would like to offer practical advice in story form:

once there was a boy named chiren who went by ATHENE all across the internet. he was the greatest World of Warcraft player in the world for some time, maybe all time. then he started making comedy videos on the internet and he was pretty good at that, and then he switched to poker and made supernova elite mega tabling full-ring games in an era where "don't bluff + setmine a lot" was enough to break even and print real cash in bonuses. suffice to say this chiren fellow thought he was pretty smart so he started studying astro-physics and theoretical biology and before long...

he put out a video on youtube called "the theory of everything" or something similar and it was a 45m analysis of this super important equation he thought of all on his own.

so i'm like "**** yeah" and i click the link and prepare my mind to be blown by absolute genius.

and it was total nonsense. he took something along the lines of e=mc^2 and had

C (consciousness) = lambda * nu

or something similar. like all of reality and math and physics and time all wrapped up into 3 or 4 constants. and he thoroughly explained what it all meant and i'm laughing inside the whole time.

and idk if he ever got a fellowship teaching at a university or a book deal or if he actually pursued the real sciences for fun and profit. he made 100s of thousands of dollars doing what he was good at though and he seemed like a good natured guy when he'd meetup with his fans.

??am i being trolled??? how am i changing the narrative??

transgendered refers to people who identify as the opposite gender, not to people who have had the sexual reassignment surgery. so what i said in the first post is accurate, you just interpreted it incorrectly. im not "changing the narrative to suit my own political needs"

effing gold lol!!!

i actually like athene but at no point was he ever decent in arena past like the first season when ppl were turning with their keyboards and clicking targets, he's still well liked and everything cause he's a good guy, but he was a joke.

not trying to crap on him, but he was never world class at any game and it seemed like that held some weight with you

it was satire

forgive me i am slow

still no one has answered the following or any of my questions. anyone care to?? (easy now you can just answer no i dont care to =þ)

will anyone who believes that transgender people are not mentally ill answer this one simple question: are 100% of people who believe themselves to be the opposite gender actually the opposite gender, or are some % of them mentally ill??

Anything that occurs in a half of a percent of the population is common in a large population and should be regarded as normal. Those who can't accept that part of the population is gay, part of the population is transgender, etc. are just fools who should worry more about their own mental states and less about screwing with the live of others for no reason except that they don't like people who are different from themselves.

so since half a percent of the population has a mental disorder we should accept their mental illness as reality?? even to the detriment of confused children who we then mutilate their genitals and then they kill themselves at higher rates??? instead of telling children who are confused the truth we are convincing them of something that just isn't true. im not trying to screw with anyones lives im trying to prevent the spread of mental illness. by accepting it you allow others to think it is a viable option to their own detriment. just because i think transgenders are mentally ill doesnt mean i dont have compassion for them. you're construing my arguments to fit your own narrative that im some ignorant bigot.

so because more than half a percent of people are obese we should accept it as normal and do nothing to help or educate them?? because half a percent of people are drug addicts we should be ok with them popping pills and shooting heroin???

bad logic.

homosexuality exists in nature ie. other animals exhibit those behaviors. other animals do not exhibit transgenderism. it is a mental illness created by society.

http://www.newsweek.com/nearly-1-5-a...ch-year-230608

why can't people get sex reassignment surgery without it being a mental illness?

do you have any comments or thoughts about the transgender teen who won the texas state girls' wrestling championship? https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...a5_story.html?

obviously a girl taking testosterone and competing against other girls is unfair and shouldn't be allowed. its essentially cheating.

tthe following quote is the problem that im talking about. society accepting transgendered people as actually the opposite sex or gender is hindering and confusing children.

"Two years ago, Beggs pointed a camera at himself and described a childhood of struggle and confusion — before, he said, discovering a word that simplified what he had experienced: transgender.

“I knew who I was,” he said in the video, “but I just couldn’t find words for it.”

He had come to loathe his full first name, Mackenzie, and began encouraging friends and family to call him Mack because his given name “reminded me of who I was.”"

"reminded me of who I was".....the thoughts of a mentally ill person living in fantasy land and so many of you live there with her. all the testosterone in the world isn't going to make her grow a dick. shes just going to have an enlarged clitoris.

now will you please answer my question??

sure you can get a sex reassignment without it being a mental illness. some people dont have a choice unfortunately. in iran homosexuals are forced to undergo sex reassignment surgery or risk death.

what about baby boys who have botched circumcisions and the doctors decide to just give the baby a sex reassignment surgery. is that cool with you??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

if you voluntarily elect to get sex reassignment surgery though you are mentally ill.

socially accepting transgender kids = mack wrestles the boys and there's probably no story

not socially accepting transgender kids = the current reality where a boy goes 54-0 and wins the girls' state wrestling championship

but i guess you're looking for a third option where the kid gets thrown into a 1950s-style insane asylum MAGAAAAAA

no mackenzie is a girl and should be disqualified from competing for taking performance enhancing hormones. and i think she needs counseling,not hormones, and not to be locked up. dont try to assume what im thinking buddy.

what do you think about renee richards competing against women in tennis?? had she been in her 20s instead of 45 she would have absolutely crushed all competition.

quote from renee richard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renée_Richards

OP, I hope you don't gamble because it's terrible for you. It's a mental illness according to John Kindt, PhD, and he's been studying gambling for 40 years.

Without shadow of a doubt some % of transgender people are mentally ill, yes. That doesn't nessicarily mean that the mental illness they are suffering from is thinking/feeling that they are the opposite gender. Not sure if you intentionally misworded the question to be deceptive or if you actually just messed up in writing it.

Also wasn't your original premise that ALL transgender people are mentally ill? Now you are only arguing that some of them are, but not all of them?

not if you win like me .

thanks for trying to answer my question but obviously i meant is thinking you are the opposite gender the mental illness im refering to.

no im arguing anyone who thinks they are the opposite sex is mentally ill. im just trying to get people to think about it. there are so many deranged people who think all sorts of nutty things i think its absurd that if you think you are the opposite gender that that just automatically makes it true. what about people who change their mind about their gender confusion?? were they the opposite sex when they thought they were and then the same sex when they changed their mind???

let me reword so its not confusing to you, though i think its obvious what i was getting at since its an either 100% are the opposite gender or are some % mentally ill for thinking so.

are 100% of people who believe themselves to be the opposite gender actually the opposite gender, or are some % of them mentally ill/deranged for thinking they are the opposite gender??

Yes, I had a feeling that's what you meant, but specific word choice is important especially in this situation.

So your stance is that 100% of transgender people are mentally ill for thinking they are the opposite gender...Is that correct?

If one of us answers the question and says that we do think some % of transgender people are mentally ill for thinking they are the opposite gender, but that, that percentage is a number lower than 100, thus meaning we believe some of them genuinely are right...then we still wouldn't be agreeing with your take on it that 100% of them are mentally ill.

Does that mean you'd try and use that admission as a stepping stone to get us from our non-zero number all the way up to agreeing with your number of 100%?

In many cases transgenderism has a physiological origin. Not everyone is XY or XX. Not everyone's external genitalia corresponds to their chromosomal makeup. There are genetic and neuroendocrinal causes for individuals to feel a different gender than they appear. Not everyone is unambiguously either male or female. Similar issues occur in all animals in which it is possible for them to occur.

Please educate yourself a bit before spewing.

no i just want to check peoples reasoning. even if you think transgendered people arent mentally ill its absurd to think that all of them aren't. some people are just bat**** crazy.

no need to be disrespectful jerk. im not spewing nor am i uneducated.

not everyone who is transgender has klinefelters syndrome either. and again its about societal roles that cause people to think they are the opposite gender no matter what physiological differences they have. cant chop off a chromosome.

lol you're struggling to wrap your brain around this concept and can't so you'd rather take control of other peoples' lives so that the world makes more sense to you personally. you're deplorable.

im not trying to take control of anyone elses life at all. and im not struggling to wrap my brain around any concept. youve wrapped your brain around other peoples madness and accepted it as reality.

and you've got more hate and less acceptance than i do. if people dont agree with your world view you call them deplorable. thats deplorable. notice how i said "thats deplorable" and not "you're deplorable" like you did because i dont take things to a personal level just because you have different views. i dont think you treating other people like they are beneath you makes you an unredeemable person just ignorant.

interesting. but have you considered i know you are but what am i?