tl;dr

hookers work 24/7 afaik

Thanks for sharing, bond.

kinda agree with that.

still a lot of advices, ty very much

Actually no, it's pretty common in the UK at this point. It certainly feels weird starting out, and my first day out doing this I told my friend "I have to give you $500 for every half hour I don't do at least one approach." Essentially, you're trying to deprogram years of social conditioning, which is why it feels so unnatural at the start.

Most of my experience on this is in Australia, but there's massive pick up community in UK and loads of guys make this work there.

Fair enough. Much like poker, and any skill really, you can read a ton of material but the real learning process is done through experience. To get good at this you have to go out and do it over, and over, and over.

The first few times you do it you basically are acting. The more you do it the more comfortable you become and all this stuff I've described winds up flowing naturally.

You're right that guys who are awful with girls would not be able to go out and do this and be effective instantly. Getting better with women was the topic of my first big ass post on this stuff, and you would have to have most of that covered before you went out and attempted a bunch of day game with a realistic chance of success.

Based on your wording I think you're probably having a bit of a go at me, but I'm happy to answer all the same.

I get a number from roughly 28% of the women I approach. Only about 25% of those numbers will turn into a date. I'm working hard on that aspect right now, but turning numbers into dates is really quite tough.

so someone like me will probably have a <5% chance of getting numbers and of that it will turn into 1 date

good read and useful though

Have you tried going for the instant-date? Most places where you would find women during the day have a starbucks nearby.

Bond, great posts!

Question: What is your line when you get to the point to set up a date for the near future, and you get this response:

"oh, I have a boyfriend."

Do you completely drop the attempt? Are there any good ways to skirt the boyfriend line (true or false)? How often do you set up dates with girls who say they have boyfriends?

I've had numerous insta dates, though recently Soul came out with literature explaining why he thinks they're mostly a waste of time. That said, when you're starting out they are a great way to spend more time with her, build comfort, and reduce flaking.

You look her in the eyes and say calmly "Ah cool, how's that going?" If she quickly replies that it's going great and seems enthusiastic then you give up and eventually politely excuse yourself.

If she hesitates she may have been lying, and sometimes when you ask this question girls will suddenly open up about how their BF is not so great, or has been a dick lately, or has "downgraded us from going out, to just seeing each other." Then you just kinda have to wing it.

I don't really go out looking to screw up anyone's relationship, but if the guy is treating his GF like crap, well then I'm not gonna deny her the chance of making an upgrade .

Great line to take. Thanks for your help.


One more question: What are indicators that a girl wants a casual sex partner or a relationship?

Recently I went on a date with a girl, and sealed the deal on date #2 (driving range is a perfect date spot, great for kino if you can help her with her swing) But the next few days I couldn't tell if you was looking for a relationship or a **** buddy. I think I screwed up royally by telling her flat out that I 'liked her.' I probably didn't qualify enough and give her reasons I liked her.

On that note, when do you use that phrase "I like you?"

bond for president.

i think that girls just dont wanna hear you say i like you. They want like specific reasons of why you are attracted to them and why you want to be with them. Maybe u shouldnt just flat out say "i like you because..." but like you can still do it by showing what makes you interested in her.

GREAT question though on the relationship and sex partner....im curious to see bond's response.

I don't wait to see what they want, I frame the relationship myself. You need to be in control of the interaction, and you need her to fit into the way you're going to shape things, not vice-versa. I don't mean this to sound pig headed or chauvinistic, but as the guy you're expected to lead and if you compromise your terms you'll wind up ****ing both of you up because you're unhappiness with the situation will come out in your behavior and eventually **** falls apart. I know it because I've done it, multiple times. It never ends well.

I don't tell girls "i like you" per say, what I do is describe what I like about a girl to her. That's what qualification is all about, you go into an interaction or relationship with a girl thinking about what qualities you look for, then you see if she has them (or ones you didn't realize you cared about but find attractive once you see them in her) and let her know that you appreciate her for who she is. Making an effort to do this is great because:

A. You wind up hanging out with girls you have more in common with and actually genuinely like.

B. You let a girl know she's appreciated for things outside of her looks/sex.

C. You reduce flaking.

I really like your threads and they all make sense but as others have said before me I could never get myself to do this without at least 4 beers in me before.. I guess that's why I keep myself to parties and online and stay out of this high-variance game that also requires tons of skill to excel at.

How did you get into it? I think that it would do great things for my personal development since honestly I find it quite hard to go up to complete strangers, even at a private party, and start small talk, let alone semi-pickup.

Whenever I get past the initial encounter, maybe we started talking in a small group,
then I'm usually quite skillful to sway the conversation to HU and go from there.

yeah thats how it is with me too...i think a lot of people also. People like to stay in their comfort zone. Recently Ive been trying to put myself out of my comfort zone and into situations i wouldnt normally

Simple; I got out of a 3 1/2 year relationship, realized I would never meet a girl at work (sitting home alone on my computer), that all my guy friends do the same thing so they aren't introducing me to any girls, that I have no built in social circle having not grown up here, that I had zero platonic female friends around, and that if I didn't do something fast I could look forward to a long, abstinent life. This kind of pattern of ended long term relationship, anti social job, and fractured social circle is very common within the PU community. Additionally, I don't really like spending my life in bars and clubs with rare huge night out exceptions, so that method of meeting girls was mostly out.

Day game it was.

Ok but what kept you away from internet dating, which is discussed in length in this thread? It's a great way to stay in the comfort zone and get past the fear of initial encounter since you're so anonymous on the internet. Also it's really easy to pick and choose.

(Disclaimer: I'd like to go from Internet/Parties to Day game/Parties)

Lots of win in this post. I completely agree with everything you say here.

To really pull off day game you have to be comfortable in your own skin and most importantly relaxed. Any element of try hardness and you have a 0% chance of success imo.

do you get paid for writing these articles?

I bent my Wookiee

STFU YOU IMBECILE

Right when we broke up I had a quick glance with it and I suppose if I wanted to increase the overall amount of dates I have per week I should go back to it since it seems pretty straight forward, but mostly I like to be able to see the girl really well and get a more thorough sense of what she's about. I'm pretty damn picky about who I approach when I go out during the day (and not too picky when wasted in some club.)