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Old 07-03-2007, 01:40 AM   #1
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Ask a music scene micro celebrity

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I have traveled in the music scene as a musician and recording engineer for better than 25 years. I have worked on a couple thousand records, some of them with famous rockstars, though most of them you're probably never heard of. I know a lot about making records, recording technology, touring, being in a rock band and the like. I own Electrical Audio, a 2-studio recording complex in Chicago, Illinois, where I make records every day.

I will answer any questions related to being in a touring/recording rock band, working in the studio with musicians both great and famous, making records, brushes with actual rock star celebrities, etc.

In NLHE, I am a prolific donator. I can hold my own in 7stud.

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Old 07-03-2007, 01:46 AM   #2
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You are Steve Albini? That is awesome. Of all the people you've worked with what bands do you feel have the best musicianship.
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:09 AM   #3
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Do you honestly feel like Cobain was a genuis? Or just a hard worker guy who hit the lotto?
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:13 AM   #4
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Pattdown, the Jesus Lizard was easily the best group of musicians I've ever worked with in terms of aggregate talent and ability, but I've worked with a bunch of incredible musicians on individual instruments. I have been most impressed by great drummers and great singers, because drumming and singing are the two most difficult things to do well.

Drummers:
Jim White (Dirty Three, Nina Nastasia)
Rey Washam (Scratch Acid, Big Boys, Rapeman, Ministry)
Britt Walford (Slint, Breeders)
Martin Atkins (Public Image Ltd, Ministry, Pigface)
Glenn Kotche (Wilco, Edith Frost)
Bun E. Carlos (Cheap Trick)
Dave Grohl (Nirvana)

Singers:
Nina Nastasia
Robin Zander (Cheap Trick)
Kim Deal (Pixies, Breeders)

Most recently, I had my mind blown by Joanna Newsom's playing on the harp. She is a wonder on that thing.
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:15 AM   #5
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Which album of her's did you record? She is so great!
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:32 AM   #6
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Micro? Albini? from Big Black? every indie rock band's dream producer?

Any other avid card players among your contemporaries? Regular card games in Frank Black's or PJ Harvey's basement or somesuch that I'm missing out on?

Also, thanks for the sheer awesomeness of:
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In Utero
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I'm sure there's like 50 more in my meager collection that I'm not thinking of.
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:35 AM   #7
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My ladyfriend tells me that your original mix of In Utero was not green lighted by their label, and they went with a different mix/track list. She claims that your version is floating somewhere (she says a coworker has it on his iPod) and she's wondering how she could get a hold of it?

EDIT: She also would like to know the rate you charge to record at your studio? Whether you or someone else is the engineer.
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:41 AM   #8
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this thread is very close to delivering. please answer the others questions and continue providing additional intriguing information.
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:41 AM   #9
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Genius is a weird and inappropriate word, and hard work is underrated, but Kurt Cobain had a distinct and personal take on the world, and generally, when someone strikes a chord with his audience, that's what people respond to.

There were a lot of bands the "sounded like Nirvana" at the time Nirvana made it big, but none of them have had the same long-lasting influence. I have to admit that I wasn't particularly a fan of Nirvana when I was asked to work on In Utero, but during the course of making the record I came to appreciate that they were genuine about their band and their music, that Kurt was capable of sophisticated thinking, and that they and their music were unique.

If you think of the other bajillion-sellers of the Nineties, not very many of them have survived as significant influences today. I think there's a reason beyond luck for that to be the case.
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:43 AM   #10
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Who were the worst musicians? Any guys that could barely play their instruments?
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:48 AM   #11
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Genius is a weird and inappropriate word, and hard work is underrated, but Kurt Cobain had a distinct and personal take on the world, and generally, when someone strikes a chord with his audience, that's what people respond to.

There were a lot of bands the "sounded like Nirvana" at the time Nirvana made it big, but none of them have had the same long-lasting influence. I have to admit that I wasn't particularly a fan of Nirvana when I was asked to work on In Utero, but during the course of making the record I came to appreciate that they were genuine about their band and their music, that Kurt was capable of sophisticated thinking, and that they and their music were unique.

If you think of the other bajillion-sellers of the Nineties, not very many of them have survived as significant influences today. I think there's a reason beyond luck for that to be the case.
Thanks for the response. I hope it didn't come off like I was knocking him for "just being hard working". I have read a few Biography's on Nirvana (with you included) and I find him to be fascinating.
Just wondered what you thought having actually met the man.

Thanks again.
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:53 AM   #12
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in utero, one of my favorite albums, and there are VERY few that compare, in my opinion.
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:07 AM   #13
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There's a regular game here in Chicago that has several musicians and engineers in it. Guys who have worked with Sonic Youth, Pavement, Tortoise, Wilco, Smashing Pumpkins, and members of various rock bands. I once had to pay-off a straight flush held by the bass player of High on Fire (a Five-card draw hand no less), and I played a bit with Ed Cherny (a first-call engineer for hit records) but that's about it. The card player and music worlds don't overlap that much.
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:13 AM   #14
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A friend of mine has been slowly releasing some tracks he made with McNeilly from their Atlanta days together around the mid 80s, if you are interested in hearing something you might not have come across before let me know.
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:40 AM   #15
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My ladyfriend tells me that your original mix of In Utero was not green lighted by their label, and they went with a different mix/track list. She claims that your version is floating somewhere (she says a coworker has it on his iPod) and she's wondering how she could get a hold of it?
There were only a couple of different mixes used on the final album. Ultimately, the band made the decision about what versions they would use, though they had to suffer a combination of their own insecurity and a bunch of people at their label freaking out, which probably influenced their decision. The version of the album in the stores is the version the band wanted people to hear, and I respect that. Any "alternate version" floating around out there is either totally bogus or a generations-removed copy of a cassette dub, and not worth your attention.

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EDIT: She also would like to know the rate you charge to record at your studio? Whether you or someone else is the engineer.
Pricing is kinda complicated, depending on which studio is being used, which engineer, whether there is an assistant required, lodgings, etc. There is a session cost calculator on the rates page of the studio website. For location recording at an outside studio, I charge my normal daily rate, $650 a day. I don't charge a royalty on any record I work on, something that has caused some controversy within engineering circles.

I try to make myself as inexpensive as possible for the underground and independent bands that are my closest peers and regular clientele. For big label stuff that will require an open-ended schedule and a lot of bureaucratic nonsense to get paid, I get paid a lot more.
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:45 AM   #16
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satanic verses by milemarker was awesome.

i thought you'd done stuff with "your enemies friends" and "this moment in black history" but wikipedia doesn't have either of them listed.

question: if there was a mixer you could watch work who would it be?
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:51 AM   #17
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Who were the worst musicians? Any guys that could barely play their instruments?
Well, very few people who can't play at all find themselves in the studio making a record. More common is a band whose expectations outstrip their abilities, even if only by a little bit. If the band's aesthetic allows their record to reflect their limitations, then it isn't much of a problem. Many great records have gaffes and clinker notes on them -- listen closely to Led Zeppelin or Crazy Horse records and you'll hear a bunch of clams. If a band wants an album with no imperfections on it, but is unable to play impeccably, then the meticulous process of piecing-together a record can be exhausting. I am grateful that the bands I work with usually don't have budgets at their disposal to make records like that, because it is torture.
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:55 AM   #18
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A friend of mine has been slowly releasing some tracks he made with McNeilly from their Atlanta days together around the mid 80s, if you are interested in hearing something you might not have come across before let me know.
Is this 86 material? Phantom 309?
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What is your biggest consideration when deciding which bands to work for? If you had one "do over" on either a single track or an album, which would it be and why?
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:03 AM   #20
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nope

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and "this moment in black history"
They did an album here last year. Cleveland represent.

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question: if there was a mixer you could watch work who would it be?
Honestly, not too interested in mixing as distinct from recording. I have always been impressed by Al Schmitt's engineering, and some Motown sessions sound impeccable. I would have loved to watch Stevie Wonder play a whole album by himself.
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:10 AM   #21
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wow, it's my first post

1. What is the best way to get into the recording industry?(If you were just starting out would you go to school, or just try to find an internship)

2. Do you find schools like full sail a waste of money?

3. How is your hearing?
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:13 AM   #22
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2. Do you find schools like full sail a waste of money?


i went to ex'pression: center for new media

while the school was awsome and i leanred tons and got some experience, i dont work in the field. most of my classmates do however. if you have the money id go for it but its certainly not necessary.
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:20 AM   #23
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What is your biggest consideration when deciding which bands to work for?
Honestly, I'm not too selective. If a band wants to work with me, and I think I can do a good job, I'll put them on the schedule. The only time I'm ever suspicious is when a manager or label person contacts me rather than the band. In those instances, the band may not have even expressed an interest in me, and the whole thing may be being cooked-up by somebody else. In those cases, I always suggest that the band contact me directly so I can have a conversation with them and gauge their interest. If the band are consistently kept at arms length, then that's a tell that the whole thing is not going to happen.

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If you had one "do over" on either a single track or an album, which would it be and why?
Man, good question. There are only a few records I've worked on where I felt like I dropped the ball, and those records really bum me out, because I know that the band is only getting one shot at making their record, and they have to carry it around forever. Tomorrow, I will be making another record, but the one I did today, that band is stuck with it forever.

About 10 years ago, I did an album with an amazing German band called Wuhling, and despite working my ass off, I felt like it never sounded as good as the band were. Their previous album had been recorded by a friend of mine, and it was terrific. The record isn't bad, but the band were amazing, and they deserved an amazing record. I still wonder what I could have done differently.
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:36 AM   #24
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10 songs which you've worked on for the Steve Albini best of? If 10 is too hard pick 5 or 3 or whatever.

Thanks, Cameron.
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:46 AM   #25
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1. What is the best way to get into the recording industry?(If you were just starting out would you go to school, or just try to find an internship)
It's super cheap to buy recording equipment and start experimenting. It's super expensive to go to a recording trade school. I always recommend getting started as an amateur to see if you enjoy the process before you get into any more serious enterprise. Every town has bands that need demos recorded, so there are plenty of opportunities to experiment with no pressure and no expectations.

"Getting into the industry" is just about impossible. There are no jobs. I mean none, like zero none. Since the advent of cheap recording software, many traditional studio clients (ad agencies, film and tv productions, jingle writers and commercial music publishers) have been able to do most of their own recording in-house. Having lost much of their client base, the big institutional studios have cut their staff to the bare minimum to keep costs low, and most engineers have gone freelance. Studios that used to have dozens of in-house engineers now have only a couple.

Newer, smaller studios that cater to rock bands are usually owner-operated, sometimes by a partnership of a very few people, all of whom have some vested interest in the studio. If you are going to be a recording engineer for a living, you are either going to be freelance, or you are going to build a studio and work there.

There are audio-related jobs, in PA design and installation, touring and live sound, church, auditorium and architectural acoustics, acoustical testing and certification, broadcast engineering, etc, but there basically are no open-call staff positions for recording engineers any more.

If you are considering going into a recording program, I would strongly recommend going to a normal accredited university with a concentration in engineering, acoustics or music. Some schools offer a Tonmeister-equivalent recording program (UMass Lowell and University of Iowa used to, I don't know who does now). The for-profit trade schools (Full Sail, Recording Arts, SAE, etc) are operated as businesses where their clients are the students and the product they sell is a diploma. A degree from an accredited university carries more weight in the real world and can even get you involved in interesting graduate-level work.
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Good enough, apparently.
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