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good spot to bluff? good spot to bluff?

12-06-2018 , 10:07 AM
PokerStars - 30/60 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 67.53 BB (VPIP: 14.95, PFR: 9.71, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 108)
Hero (BTN): 76.43 BB
SB: 87.93 BB (VPIP: 22.86, PFR: 2.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
BB: 108.42 BB (VPIP: 28.17, PFR: 16.90, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 73)
UTG: 42.48 BB (VPIP: 25.32, PFR: 16.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 79)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

fold, CO raises to 2.58 BB, Hero calls 2.58 BB, fold, BB calls 1.58 BB

Flop: (8.25 BB, 3 players) T 9 Q
BB checks, CO bets 3.97 BB, Hero calls 3.97 BB, BB calls 3.97 BB

Turn: (20.15 BB, 3 players) K
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets 6.85 BB, BB raises to 20.1 BB, fold, Hero calls 13.25 BB

River: (60.35 BB, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero ???

i think he would rather 3b AJ preflop so he don't have many Ax and don't think he checks if he hit flush so most of his range are Jx. Good spot to go allin and push him out from split pot?
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12-06-2018 , 10:37 AM
I would 3-bet on the preflop
AP raise on the flop
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12-06-2018 , 11:13 AM
Go for it. His play is most likely Jx. Just don't see any flushes, especially since he wouldn't risk the check behind if he has one. Definitely don't see any other Aces the way he played it. So the risk seems very low here. You either check behind and chop or take a shot at pushing him off the pot.
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12-06-2018 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ffsh
I would 3-bet on the preflop
AP raise on the flop
Just curious, why do we get them out of their bluffs and worst hands when the only cards that we don't like are the ones we block? (K and J) All other cards are more than welcome. Even the A.

Maybe if the board pairs might be dangerous, but if someone has 2-pairs, they aren't going anywhere, the money is going in.

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Turn and River are SO bad for us x'D 4.35 is kinda low 3bet stat, but it's still a small sample, and from a CO raise I think Villain always 3bets AJo. But on the other hand, what Ax do we have? We limp pre, X/C flop, and bet turn... I don't think we have many Ax... But then again you called KJs, so you might also call A9ss xD

It's so devastating that we flop the nuts and end up playing the board... jesus.

I think we only loose to flushes, and I don't think he checks flushes on the river. So I would jam.
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12-06-2018 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SetPT
Just curious, why do we get them out of their bluffs and worst hands when the only cards that we don't like are the ones we block? (K and J) All other cards are more than welcome. Even the A.
CO seems to be playing tight(based on his stat), he bets on the flop versus 2 opponents OOP on a very wet board, so I don't think that he has a lot of bluffs here. he should call the raise with overpair, top pair, two pairs, sets, lower straight, and perhaps with pair + draw...it's a lot of combos, why don't we extract some value from them

Last edited by ffsh; 12-06-2018 at 03:09 PM.
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12-06-2018 , 04:04 PM
Yeah whats with flatting flop?

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Originally Posted by SetPT
Just curious, why do we get them out of their bluffs and worst hands when the only cards that we don't like are the ones we block? (K and J) All other cards are more than welcome. Even the A.

Maybe if the board pairs might be dangerous, but if someone has 2-pairs, they aren't going anywhere, the money is going in.
Because this is big bet poker and we have the nuts...

...we don't block pairs and sets, many turns will kill action contrary to your belief that 2 pair will stack off regardless, all his bluffs have equity....

...we have no redraws, that his bluffs have equity means they are able to continue, we want to build the pot so we can be all in by the river, our hand is too good to be a bluffcatcher and if he's recklessly cbetting with 54s he will give up anyway because small stakes players don't barrel like that, many turns counterfeit our hand and we don't "block" that, that would be like saying an A on the flop blocks him from having top pair...

...we make more money coolering 2p and sets than waiting for these nits to do something....

Slowplaying straights makes me
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12-06-2018 , 04:42 PM
He can have Ace Jack here sometimes
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12-06-2018 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bearer
Yeah whats with flatting flop?


Because this is big bet poker and we have the nuts...

...we don't block pairs and sets, many turns will kill action contrary to your belief that 2 pair will stack off regardless, all his bluffs have equity....

...we have no redraws, that his bluffs have equity means they are able to continue, we want to build the pot so we can be all in by the river, our hand is too good to be a bluffcatcher and if he's recklessly cbetting with 54s he will give up anyway because small stakes players don't barrel like that, many turns counterfeit our hand and we don't "block" that, that would be like saying an A on the flop blocks him from having top pair...

...we make more money coolering 2p and sets than waiting for these nits to do something....

Slowplaying straights makes me
I have not said this.

What I've said was that if he has two pairs OTF and we shove to protect our straight from the board pairing on OTT, it's useless because they will call our shove OTF with two pairs 99,99% of the time (being the 0,001 a missclick). The context was that only a K or a J would be bad for us.
Of course they are not stacking off regardless of the Turn and River.

I'm not saying that shoving is bad, of course it isn't. I'm just questioning if calling wouldnt make us more money on the long run. Maybe it won't, idk.
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