Playing say tournies 100$ and above?

I've asked a lot of players and everyone always says the same thing... Nobody can have a big enough sample to know. But if you take the samples of multiple good players you should have a good idea, no?

35%

fyp

3.50

"it depends"

Which player?

but how would you determine if they are good players if they dont have a sample to calculate their ROI ...

The absolute best internet mtters at high stakes will realistically have an ROI of somewhere around 30% across the board. There's too many turbos and hyper turbos to have anything higher really.

Disagree. Maybe for stars peak hour MTTs but that makes up 20%ish of all HS MTT tournaments. The very best are getting much higher then that I would think.

I can think of like 50 guys who I'd consider world class who grind day-in, day-out and play the tournaments OP is inquiring about. In addition to them, there are decent winners, plus marginal winners, plus break even players, plus slight losers, plus fish. I don't see how even a really good player could beat those games for much more than RainTech's estimate. The composition of fields at those stakes and the fast structures negate much of a good players edge in the stages of the tournament where mistakes are most costly.

Were just going to start arguing about the question. Vague gunna vague. I don't think the 10 best MTT players grind day-in, day-out. Raine said: "The absolute best". To think that no one in the world is beating any sample they want of $100+ Mtts is an insane projection.

I wasn't vague at all, I specifically stated the truth. Also nobody said that people weren't beating any sample of mtts? Look at an average stars weekly hsmtt schedule with buyins $100+: 100r, 215 turbo, 109 2x chance turbo, 320 6m, big 109, big 162, 100c turbo, 109 turbo, 100 quad, 215 turbo. That's from noon to 6:30 eastern of buyins $109 and higher. Of those 10 tournaments, half are turbos, and the 100 quad and 320 6m are absurdly reg infested. Aside from all that, the structures of non turbos are still extremely fast.

Rainetech is right.

Here's the top 20 on pocketfives who've got their stars stats viewable.

Highest with more than 10k sample is 40%

Games ¦ Av.Prof¦ Stake ¦ Roi ¦ Profit ¦Ability
15,365 ¦ $25.4 ¦¦ $70.9 ¦ 33.8% ¦ $390,237 ¦¦ 96
51,029 ¦ $8.78 ¦¦ $120 ¦¦ 7% ¦¦¦ $447,986 ¦¦ 94
6,183 ¦¦ $43.59 ¦ $66.9 ¦ 61.2% ¦ $269,489 ¦¦ 96
11,934 ¦ $33.35 ¦ $128 ¦ 24.9% ¦ $397,995 ¦¦ 95
2,191 ¦¦ $139 ¦¦¦ $133 ¦ 98.4% ¦ $303,669 ¦¦ 97
12,774 ¦ $26.62 ¦ $177 ¦ 14.3% ¦ $340,050 ¦¦ 96
19,059 ¦ $7.75 ¦¦ $54.9 ¦ 13.3% ¦ $147,644 ¦¦ 94
35,596 ¦ $11.43 ¦ $90.9 ¦ 12.1% ¦ $406,888 ¦¦ 96
8,781 ¦¦ $35.89 ¦ $186 ¦ 18.3% ¦ $315,119 ¦¦ 98
14,134 ¦ $25.64 ¦ $107 ¦ 22.8% ¦ $362,367 ¦¦ 96
18,527 ¦ $19.23 ¦ $126 ¦ 14.4% ¦ $356,294 ¦¦ 95
14,086 ¦ $16.41 ¦ $107 ¦ 14.5% ¦ $231,089 ¦¦ 96
11,770 ¦ $62.6 ¦¦ $148 ¦ 40.3% ¦ $736,857 ¦¦ 97
14,242 ¦ $47.91 ¦ $129 ¦ 35.2% ¦ $682,330 ¦¦ 96
7,776 ¦¦ $46.62 ¦ $163 ¦ 27.4% ¦ $362,514 ¦¦ 96
11,842 ¦ $64.81 ¦ $159 ¦ 38.7% ¦ $767,515 ¦¦ 99
5,749 ¦¦ $90.31 ¦ $133 ¦ 64.8% ¦ $519,192 ¦¦ 96
11,555 ¦ $50.72 ¦ $157 ¦ 30.7% ¦ $586,054 ¦¦ 99
13,346 ¦ $49.71 ¦ $124 ¦ 38% ¦¦¦ $663,482 ¦¦ 97
32,121 ¦ $33.89 ¦ $177 ¦ 18.4% ¦ $1,088,739¦ 98

cliffnotes: play a **** load of poker if you want to win

or skip **** turbos on stars

Top 10 online mtt players in the world are most likely not top 10 earners on stars in the last X months.

Like I said above this is relevant on schedule also. There are plenty more tournaments than stars 109 and 215 turbos. If you assume an even distribution of every tournament on stars over 100 that isn't a special series, you may be right. If we are talking play what you want over 100 all over the net and include the occasional promotional tournament, it isn't even close.

Also polling 20 guys out of a huge population that could have roi over 30, and 5 of them have ROIs over 30 given a 10k MTT sample! That should make it clear that its not even close.

This is pretty informative, however that includes results from previous years which were considerably softer. In today's day and age, realistically there is literally nobody who has a long term ROI of 40% in mtts online in buyins $100+ playing a full schedule. 30% may even be optimistic.

See my post above, hence why you are wrong again. Not sure why you won't give this one up though.

If TT_Fold used the same buy-ins for the non-turbos as he did turbos

Playing full schedule was never part of it; back to vague. I know what your trying to say but are making to many assumption from your first post which said nothing about schedule or turbo ratio needed or the definition of online player which could include the 10 best live players tbf.

Don't take my word for it, I just play mid-stakes. Ask people at the top and im sure that they feel they can have a higher than 30%roi game selecting. Likes of Selbst, Mercier, Timex (plus a lot more).

So poker players who have made a lot of money and are very good think their ROI's are higher than they actually are, how is that remotely relevant? TT_Fold's information alone proves my point, and even shows that 30% is optimistic. I'm done arguing in this thread, I'm sure you're one of those guys who still believes he has a 100% ROI in whatever he plays.

No hostility on this end. Just your original statement from my interpretation leaves this idea open to any set of games over 100$, from any set of players that have played online poker before. I think given that se of conditions, its wrong to say that you can't obtain over a 30% roi.

If your talking play every tournament over 100$ an equal amount of times, I think id agree with you.