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04-04-2009, 10:48 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,349
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What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
The Bellagio is in the midst of its premiere event the WPT Championship series.
Event number one the $1500 buyin nl event drew just over 100 people. In past years this event had a line stretching as far as you could see at the buyin window, had overflow tables in the main poker room, and had a list of alternates waiting to get in.
Todays 5K nl event drew a whopping 27 players a total of 3 tables were in play in the entire Fontana room.
Right now, the only tourney competition is coming from the Venetian, yet the Caesars Palace circuit event starts in a few days as well...
What can the Bellagio do to get its players back?
Mike matusow said that people are simply sick of nl tourneys and that Bellagio should go back to its old format of offering tourneys in all the games.
I wouldnt mind that idea or possibly having a 5 pm tourney every day like the wsop does with an alternative game.
Other ideas include scaling back the buyins to accomodate more players in this bad economic situation, giving more chips to compete with the deep stack events at venetian and caesars, or adding more levels.
Any thoughts, suggestions, comments?
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04-04-2009, 10:49 PM
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Mango Mercenary
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 18,717
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
give all the retired folks in vegas the 50k+ that each of them lost in the last year?
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04-04-2009, 10:50 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,263
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
More like how can 2+2 get this Chainsaw guy to stop making new threads.
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04-04-2009, 10:51 PM
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#4
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banned
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 345
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
I think the recession might have something to do with this. It does have far reaching tentacles.
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04-04-2009, 10:52 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 160
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
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Originally Posted by demon102
More like how can 2+2 get this Chainsaw guy to stop making new threads.
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but this is actually a good thread
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04-04-2009, 11:00 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,582
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
I hate the B, to damn TRENDY!,
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04-04-2009, 11:04 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: San Diego
Posts: 27,278
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
stop having whats-his-name run the tournaments with his retarded rules and structures?
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04-04-2009, 11:16 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 117
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
The Bellagio should hire Greenspan and try to figure out this economic crisis. Or perhaps create a stimulus/bailout package for all the busto pros. Or make online poker illegal to play in the 50 states. Just a few ideas.
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04-05-2009, 12:08 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dirty Jerz
Posts: 2,083
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
Offer 10 time as many chips and start the blinds at 300-600 and they'll come back. In all seriousness, offering other games, better hotel rates for tourney players. I like the buy-in levels instead of all these other tourneys that only have a few events of 1K or greater. Kinda of a bitch to be spending $200 plus a day on food and lodging to play a bunch of $300-500 events. If they have a badugi/TD mix event it will draw at least a few of the higher limit pros that play in the upper section. I guarantee I'll be there for it. I actually appreciate the smaller starting stacks at Bellagio as if you win a signifigant pot during the first level or too it actually matter and affect you tournament equity positively unlike these event that start you with 1000 BB's when you can win a hug pot and it hardly matter. They only add to add in about 3 more levels to make the tourneys signifigantly better 500-1000 being the most vital. 150-300 second. I mean they could add only those two and it would be a major improvement in the smoothness of the level jumps. Free massages would be nice too. They offered that at the WSOP Circuit at Harrah's AC for chrissake's. A ****in' C has it. I mean isn;t Bellagio supposed to be the epitome of luxury, then give us some free massages
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04-05-2009, 12:12 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: las vegas, nv
Posts: 7,330
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
stop raping the players. they've taken millions out of the poker economy. they charge an arm and a leg for a bottle of water in the gift shop. rooms overpriced. no real comps to speak of. etc. etc. so much better value for the money in tournament fields too, a venetian $500 is so much more +EV than a 27-player $3k at bellagio. lower your buyins jack, it's ridiculous to think that you're lowest buyin is $1500. this isn't the WSOP where you can wave $1500 buyins in the air and attract 4,000 players. it's just the bellagio. maybe if they had a schedule of tournaments with other games, various buyin amounts, and scheduled their events to not directly conflict with everything else (you're no longer the center of the poker world!) then they'd draw bigger fields again.
and quit having a $15k+ buyin every 4 months
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04-05-2009, 12:37 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,349
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
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Originally Posted by sketchy1
stop raping the players. they've taken millions out of the poker economy. they charge an arm and a leg for a bottle of water in the gift shop. rooms overpriced. no real comps to speak of. etc. etc. so much better value for the money in tournament fields too, a venetian $500 is so much more +EV than a 27-player $3k at bellagio. lower your buyins jack, it's ridiculous to think that you're lowest buyin is $1500. this isn't the WSOP where you can wave $1500 buyins in the air and attract 4,000 players. it's just the bellagio. maybe if they had a schedule of tournaments with other games, various buyin amounts, and scheduled their events to not directly conflict with everything else (you're no longer the center of the poker world!) then they'd draw bigger fields again.
and quit having a $15k+ buyin every 4 months
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Finally sketchy and I agree on something!
+1 for Sketchy
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04-05-2009, 12:51 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: las vegas, nv
Posts: 7,330
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Finally sketchy and I agree on something!
+1 for Sketchy
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plz don't cut me chainsaw. and yeah, it seems pretty obv the recession isn't helping, but bellagio is just shooting themselves in the foot with all that crap i mentioned.
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04-05-2009, 01:32 AM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,648
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
spread something other than NLHE , lower buyins, better structures... duh
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04-05-2009, 01:40 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: That's just the way it is
Posts: 5,800
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
pay Stars so they don't have their spring tourney series coincide with bellagio tourney series?
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04-05-2009, 02:04 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pittsburgh/Canada
Posts: 6,691
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Re: What can the Bellagio do to get their tourney players back?
I dunno I think all of these series are too long and there is no reason for anyone to actually travel to these places to play.
They should also try slapping guarantees on main events.
Just do what Borgata does, they seem to be the only one getting it right.
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