ill vouch for steak addict!

ty <3

I sent you 250 euros for you vs uhhmee. Are we booked now or not? If not send back.
Came from *******00

Booked
Yes we are booked...

id like to bet my 200$ on myself vs you.

Booked

Make it $500 glgl

$1 on me please, glgl

Are you gonna update anywhere Sam?

Hey made a pretty big mistake today. First hand of the $320 6 max re-entry me and a regular were talking a little bit and I know he's into gambling so I suggested we go all in first hand. After the hand people asked what happened and I was like what? Some guys started saying it's a against the rules, I didn't know that and it's the first time I ever suggest/do something like this. After I did it I realized it's not fair for the bet and I would never do anything to angle in a bet, so I'll take the $320 re-entry out of the bet for myself, but keep it in for everyone betting against me. In the other re-entries played so far I play a strategy that is generally more spewy, but I never suggested an all in or anything like that in those. If someone doesn't believe me and wants proof. I am happy to watch back the handhistories, even though I didn't cash in any of those tournaments. Have only cashed the kickoff so far.

So I ended up cashing the $320 6 max for $2.1k or so, but will not be counting it towards the bet because of what happened. Since it is my mistake as I said, I will still count everyone elses cashed $ in this tournament.

Personally, I think you're being way too kind. GG & gl rest

Na he is being fair its colluding simple as that. Clearly the least severe form of colluding but still colluding.

gl

you might wanna check the definition of collusion.

Don't want to discuss ethics with a guy who enjoys playing hsmtts on a 2nd pokerstars account without telling anyone its clear which way your compass points.

Making a agreement with another player to double your stack and have a big advantage against the rest of the table is clearly a form of collusion its not even close.

If you have a counter argument instead of a 1 line no content post which is generally all you post then feel free to make a argument against it.

On second thoughts don't bother its the wrong place and european knows it shouldn't count hence why he omitted the result.

If it's table chat and other players at the table can take advantage of this I don't see how there is anything wrong with this. Obv it's not fair if you have bets with players who don't have the same chances to double their stack.

fwiw i am the one who he flipped with and yeah, from the bet POV i agree its wrong, and there is an angle here but imo european didn`t think about it when he proposed the gamble. even if thats the case, the right decision was to exclude this mtt from the bet which he did.

now from the collusion POV its a stretch for a lot of reasons:

1. we don`t know each other except online, don`t even have his skype. we have no financial interest in one another whatsoever.
2. while maybe players at the table have some disadvantage from this, all the players in the tournament gain an extra buyin to the prizepool.
3. ( the most important point imo ) poker should be a fun game and we shouldn`t interdict ways to have fun on the table. what if in a live tournament two rich recs decide to gamble their stacks for fun. floor man would come to them and disqualify them both from the tournament because its against the rules. they won`t never come to the same casino for a tournament again, because of this. is that ok?
4. if it would have been collusion we wouldn`t have chat in pokerstars chat. collusion implies premeditation and bad intent, this was more like a <1 minute decision to gamble.

about the "second" account, its not by choice, and its the only one i played in the last 2 years on pokerstars. when PS told me i have to change my s/n i argued with them that its wrong and i should keep my old one, when they told me thats not possible i proposed a way to keep the old s/n as well ( a permanent note which would say the old s/n and everyone can see it ) which they ignored. i also posted soon after i started playing from denmark my new s/n on p5s.

so pls keep those comments for yourself u shove i call.

"2. while maybe players at the table have some disadvantage from this, all the players in the tournament gain an extra buyin to the prizepool."

well assuming u both are +EV and euro is really really +EV, the field doesn't really benefit from one of u having 2x starting and the other having the same starting stack after re-entering, right?


stars benefits from the rake though!



after further thought, maybe the field benefits if u are the one who wins the flip.

I never suggested that it was in any way premeditated and didn't know that it was you who he flipped against not that it matters.

Throwing words about like collusion in euros thread when i know there was no bad intent was a mistake and i apologize for that.

Doesn't change the fact that what you both did can be used as a angle in several ways. Lets assume the other 4 players are all stronger players than you one of you gets a double stack and the other gets a softer table draw. Or the other players are all alot weaker players and gives one of you a chance to dominate the table. Just because it wasn't premeditated doesn't make it any less wrong.

Comparing this to 2 rich amateurs is laughable when your both high stakes professional players and one of your ev is going to change considerably.

agree, but you can`t apply different rules to different players. so my question was where we draw the line? i think fun factor is important, especially nowadays.

also agree that there is angle potential here and if someone did this frequently he/she should be punished by pokerstars/floorman. transforming this into a drama, regulars talking sheet at the table like we should be banned for this is taking things a bit too far imo.

heard what happened before i read the post and am confident there was no bet angling intended.. would be really stupid for multiple reasons (e.g. how likely it is to get caught, cost vs benefit etc)

wasn't sure why he would even flip since it's not allowed but he explained that and makes sense..

his compromise was pretty reasonable/fair too, i have no action etc so obviously other people who have action who have opinions should feel free to share especially if they disagree


*edit

this collusion discussion was dumb, it is just semantics. setting up this flip is def some sort of angle that can technically be defined as collusion, also agreeing to flip is by definition collusion too. flipping is not allowed on stars for a good reason, nor should it be allowed. i don't have anything against what you did if you didn't know the rules, but stop trying to justify it..

Your points below
1) this is irrelevant, colluding or doing anything unethical is still said collusion or unethical even if the players at the table don't have financial interest in each other or know each other.
2) players at tabling having possible disadvantage is already a good reason this shouldn't be allowed, also just in general a good player getting chips is not good for the field at all even if it adds money to the prize pool lol
3) this is a terrible example too, there should be some leniency especially if it was obvious it wasn't intentional (and if the dealer hears them discussing this they should immediately make it clear it isn't allowed). if they are rich recs or rich regs or poor regs or poor recs makes no difference for the ethics

4) this is a reason why we can believe you guys didn't intentionally do this knowing it wasn't allowed or against the rules but not a reason why this isn't still by definition collusion

meh

1. we don`t know each other except online, don`t even have his skype. we have no financial interest in one another whatsoever.
2. while maybe players at the table have some disadvantage from this, all the players in the tournament gain an extra buyin to the prizepool.
3. ( the most important point imo ) poker should be a fun game and we shouldn`t interdict ways to have fun on the table. what if in a live tournament two rich recs decide to gamble their stacks for fun. floor man would come to them and disqualify them both from the tournament because its against the rules. they won`t never come to the same casino for a tournament again, because of this. is that ok?
4. if it would have been collusion we wouldn`t have chat in pokerstars chat. collusion implies premeditation and bad intent, this was more like a <1 minute decision to gamble.

withouth euros event 31 cash. Till event 56 where nobody cashed.
total cashes
5642,91 - euro
4521,96 - ssickone
6711,56 - oxota
1204,67 - leq
6273,72 - blanco
0 - wushu
2915,15 - lasagna
4778,43 - crown
6799,88 - lena
13023,06 - eisen
7719,82 - darwin
2837,01 -42a
5967,41 -uhhmee

eisenhower and 42ayay 1/20 and 2/20 in 700c w 133k first

gl (anti) sweating

one and two w 7 left- your antisweating is not working

more notably is salalitto getting 10th.. guy cant seem to catch a break