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08-04-2016 , 10:42 AM
If you want to play a 109$ wcoop, why don't you just play a 109$ wcoop?
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08-04-2016 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Eight
I agree, 55$ is a great price for the Mini-WCOOP main and I think 109$ would make it for the Mini-WCOOP highroller. But it's probably too late...
Can you be a Mini-WCOOP 'highroller'?

Do you not just play a Big 109 or something similar on the day of the high roller?
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08-04-2016 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
If you want to play a 109$ wcoop, why don't you just play a 109$ wcoop?


I was wondering that, myself. There are three of them on the final schedule, which will be released soon.
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08-04-2016 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
Yep. It will be posted to the PokerStars blog by the end of the week. Many things were changed from Version 04 to Version 05. I suspect that many of you will be pleased.

I'm looking at the 'Version Changes' tab on my desktop right now, and I can tell you that 37 changes in total were made from Version 04 to Version 05.

The blog post, which I'm currently writing, will lay out the final schedule and expand/explain quite a few of the Events.
Thanks again for your efforts, Bryan. Looking forward to the final schedule.
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08-04-2016 , 10:59 AM
I can see why people are slighty annoyed with mWCOOP but it makes a ton of sense. If micromillions didnt run last week it would make more sense.

Maybe replace the last MM slot in the calender with a midstakes series, ton of people who dont go to Vegas would love a smaller summer series, would make people excited to login during the summer months if mWCOOP is going to carry on, no need to have MM then mWCOOP right next to each other.
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08-04-2016 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
If you want to play a 109$ wcoop, why don't you just play a 109$ wcoop?
OK OK guys I'll try to play the WCOOP 109$ event!
Again, I think mini-WCOOP will be great for many players, especially with solid structures. You don't get that quality and diversity for that price very often.
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08-04-2016 , 11:19 AM
To be honest, I think Mini-WCOOP will end up being a frustration if structures are kept. Regs, obviously, prefer deep structures. I don't think the same can be said regarding micro recs. I doubt many recs will be excited about playing a $2 tourney for seven hours and bust before the money.
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08-04-2016 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
If you want to play a 109$ wcoop, why don't you just play a 109$ wcoop?
I will. Doesn't make me think differently about my last post though

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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS


I was wondering that, myself. There are three of them on the final schedule, which will be released soon.
And alternatively there could be 3 nice $109 wcoops and 1 $109 miniWCOOP superhighroller... Don't really see your point tbh

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Originally Posted by SleazyP84
Can you be a Mini-WCOOP 'highroller'?

Do you not just play a Big 109 or something similar on the day of the high roller?
Yes there can be a miniWCOOP highroller, though it would make sense to actually raise the buyin to be higher than other events

Yes and I might play big $11 as well so plz don't make miniWCOOP superhighroller (lolol) $11
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08-04-2016 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LOLCh1pPorn
And alternatively there could be 3 nice $109 wcoops and 1 $109 miniWCOOP superhighroller... Don't really see your point tbh
The point is that Mini-WCOOP is not going to conflict with or compete with WCOOP itself. There will not be overlap. As it is, the Mini-WCOOP Main Event being $50 is a bit much, but as it's toward the end of the series, it's okay.

As for the $11 'Super High-Roller', as I mentioned, it won't be labeled as such in Mini-WCOOP... as that would look quite odd.
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08-04-2016 , 11:32 AM
Okay, fair enough. Thanks for adressing my posts. In hindsight $27 main and $55 highroller would have been nice then

I will bug you later about a nice low/midstakes series in a different thread
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08-04-2016 , 11:54 AM
Hopefully in the future we can have 2nd chances, but only available to people who played that wcoop. Seems like the obv solution, unless for some reason it's not possible with the software. Surely they could figure it out tho.
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08-04-2016 , 11:59 AM
hey Bryan i like you and you work, and also sad that you left the main pokerstars mtt schedule thread. it would be better place with you still on board.
but i think this whole mini wcoop is just a blunder (especially after this cutted micromillions with only $0.11-$5 buyins) . but its okay and still better then nothing. ty for thinking of the guys who cant afford highstakes.
sorry if i offended u before keep up the good work, u still doing great
looking forward for a real and serious low/midstakes series which is really missing from stars, hope you will develop it if it ever happens and dont give the opportunity to any other colleagues of yours.

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08-04-2016 , 12:00 PM
Maybe you should call it Micro-WCOOP.
I still think that you guys could make $10-$30 buyins in the Mini WCOOP, like SCOOP Low.

You already made MicroMillions this year with low buyins, I miss those $8.80+R, $11 PSKO, $11+R 6max turbo.

This year the buyins were like $0.11 to $5...had no interesst at all
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08-04-2016 , 12:04 PM
But I like the idea of having the main event at $27 and one high-roller at $55
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08-04-2016 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
As for the $11 'Super High-Roller', as I mentioned, it won't be labeled as such in Mini-WCOOP... as that would look quite odd.
Somehow missed the first post where you mentioned that, so excuse me for that

on a different note, i think the $55 miniWCOOP main will blow the f up and will show the value of a low-midstakes series
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08-04-2016 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BrunoBeidacki
To be honest, I think Mini-WCOOP will end up being a frustration if structures are kept. Regs, obviously, prefer deep structures. I don't think the same can be said regarding micro recs. I doubt many recs will be excited about playing a $2 tourney for seven hours and bust before the money.
They can play faster structures all year, I'm sure this'll draw out poker fanatics instead of people looking for a quick gamble. I'd be surprised if many people just registered any *coop event without looking at the structure even once and without expecting it to be slow. There was a 0.11$ (i think) scoop trial tournament or something a while ago, and the feedback from the people playing it was overwhelmingly good.
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08-04-2016 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LOLCh1pPorn
on a different note, i think the $55 miniWCOOP main will blow the f up and will show the value of a low-midstakes series
not sure if it needs any proves that there would be a huge and i mean very very big interest for a low/midstakes series executed properly like micromillions (but better strutures) or COOPs. it would be the most succesfull series since black friday. im pretty sure about this.

since the good old miniFTOPs vanished there is zero low/midseries in the poker world, HUGE gap. to not grap an opportunity like this is really a... i dunno, its just a mystery for me
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08-04-2016 , 01:31 PM
Brian, a Rd2/3 $82 just cancelled, can you reduce min entrants since the sats into it hadn't even finished yet..
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08-04-2016 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by playr
not sure if it needs any proves that there would be a huge and i mean very very big interest for a low/midstakes series executed properly like micromillions (but better strutures) or COOPs. it would be the most succesfull series since black friday. im pretty sure about this.

since the good old miniFTOPs vanished there is zero low/midseries in the poker world, HUGE gap. to not grap an opportunity like this is really a... i dunno, its just a mystery for me
This, it's literally a no brainer
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08-04-2016 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BrunoBeidacki
To be honest, I think Mini-WCOOP will end up being a frustration if structures are kept. Regs, obviously, prefer deep structures. I don't think the same can be said regarding micro recs. I doubt many recs will be excited about playing a $2 tourney for seven hours and bust before the money.
10,000 stacks with 30 minute blinds ...... doesn't that usually make tournaments 2 day events, taking about 12 hours to reach ITM?

For pros plunking down thousands of dollars in buy-ins, it makes a lot of sense to have structures that slow. For recreationals with jobs ponying up a dollar or two who are looking for something to do at night, it seems like a lot might be upset if they only wind up with $5 after 16 hours of play. Or aren't even able to finish what they started because they have to go to work the next day.
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08-04-2016 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by playr
not sure if it needs any proves that there would be a huge and i mean very very big interest for a low/midstakes series executed properly like micromillions (but better strutures) or COOPs. it would be the most succesfull series since black friday. im pretty sure about this.

since the good old miniFTOPs vanished there is zero low/midseries in the poker world, HUGE gap. to not grap an opportunity like this is really a... i dunno, its just a mystery for me
The rebuffs from Bryan make me think it's about much more than just avoiding conflicts with the full buy-in WCOOP.

Pokerstars might not want to have such a series to keep recreationals from playing too many games with low/midstakes pros, at buy-ins where they'll lose their deposits more quickly. But maybe they just don't want to come out and say so.

Could be wrong about that though.
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08-04-2016 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ESW
The rebuffs from Bryan make me think it's about much more than just avoiding conflicts with the full buy-in WCOOP.

Pokerstars might not want to have such a series to keep recreationals from playing too many games with low/midstakes pros, at buy-ins where they'll lose their deposits more quickly. But maybe they just don't want to come out and say so.

Could be wrong about that though.
this is exactly what i think too, i think they just want to keep these recs to play their casino, sportstars and spin games, where they money is not ending up in regs account. maybe wrong but what could we think really when its a complee mystery to not have a low-mid series already

cuz this is the buyin range is the exact limit what 90% of recs players could still afford, this is also why it would be very succesfull.

ok end of off

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08-04-2016 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
The series is being run specifically to enable extension of play and excitement for many of our players for whom WCOOP is far beyond their reach
@Bryan...

Am happy to admit that, i'm one of those players the mini-WCOOP series has been designed for and aimed at.

My feedback is that, i'm super stoked to hear i'll be able to play a mini-version of a series i'd otherwise only be able to watch and it has definitely done the trick in terms of raising my excitement levels.

Playing a mini version of the exact same tournaments/structures/series etc...at the same time the players I look up to are playing the major series, provides me with extra incentive to do well and I see this series, along with others similar, as building blocks on the road to being able to step up and actually play alongside those players in the future in the main series.

I think it's awesome you've thought to put this in place and I for one am looking forward to it.

I will say though, that the mini-WCOOP main event buy-in is a bit steep in comparison to the rest of the series and I currently won't be able to take part in it (way outside of my buy-in range). I will however do my best to do well in the lead up events and perhaps provide myself with an opportunity to take a shot at it. Will have to wait and see how it goes...
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08-04-2016 , 09:50 PM
They should just combine MicroMill, Mini-COOP, and TCOOP into an actual respectable annual or semi-annual series: 1 day, good structure but shorter levels than WCOOP, focus on as many variants as possible, buy-ins that most somewhat serious recs can afford, but that still interest regs/specialists. Wasn't mFTOPS in $22-55 range mostly? That seems about right. What is so difficult about this?
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08-04-2016 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ESW
The rebuffs from Bryan make me think it's about much more than just avoiding conflicts with the full buy-in WCOOP.

Pokerstars might not want to have such a series to keep recreationals from playing too many games with low/midstakes pros, at buy-ins where they'll lose their deposits more quickly. But maybe they just don't want to come out and say so.

Could be wrong about that though.
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Originally Posted by playr
this is exactly what i think too, i think they just want to keep these recs to play their casino, sportstars and spin games, where they money is not ending up in regs account. maybe wrong but what could we think really when its a complee mystery to not have a low-mid series already

cuz this is the buyin range is the exact limit what 90% of recs players could still afford, this is also why it would be very succesfull.

ok end of off
Don't confuse not wanting Mini-WCOOP to be WCOOP-L (e.g. turning WCOOP into a 2nd SCOOP) with being completely unwilling to talk about another series later on down the road. The fact that Mini-WCOOP is not changing to mid-stakes does not in any way indicate an unwillingness on my part to discuss a mid-stakes series at some point in the future. Having said that, I'm not in any way promising that we'll have a mid-stakes series, but I am open to it. As I mentioned earlier, though... that's a discussion for another time, another thread. When/if said conversation develops into something more concrete, you may rest assured that it will be brought up.

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@Bryan...

Am happy to admit that, i'm one of those players the mini-WCOOP series has been designed for and aimed at.

My feedback is that, i'm super stoked to hear i'll be able to play a mini-version of a series i'd otherwise only be able to watch and it has definitely done the trick in terms of raising my excitement levels.

Playing a mini version of the exact same tournaments/structures/series etc...at the same time the players I look up to are playing the major series, provides me with extra incentive to do well and I see this series, along with others similar, as building blocks on the road to being able to step up and actually play alongside those players in the future in the main series.

I think it's awesome you've thought to put this in place and I for one am looking forward to it.

I will say though, that the mini-WCOOP main event buy-in is a bit steep in comparison to the rest of the series and I currently won't be able to take part in it (way outside of my buy-in range). I will however do my best to do well in the lead up events and perhaps provide myself with an opportunity to take a shot at it. Will have to wait and see how it goes...
We'll have satellites to the Mini-WCOOP Main Event, I promise.

Good luck to you in Mini-WCOOP!
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