Bryan, i'd be fine with no 2nd chances events if Luke increased the GTD at the regular tournaments around each event, if you have a 109$ starting 30mins b4 a WCOOP event and you call it "Special Edition" with a doubled GTD it will run well, thats a fact

Without that, the second chance are AWESOME and i really like the fast structures on those, who cares if its reg infested? We like them!

Just PLEASE, PLEASE work on the regular schedul with the WCOOP. I remember in 2012-14 i used to play way more tournaments during the series, because everything was great, nowadays we dont get excited to play a b55 for example

i like big 55

The Championship series and the regular schedule are separate entities. We do of course take into account how each affects the other, for example by not running the Sunday Million on a day that a Special Edition of the Sunday Million is running, but how the guarantees are adjusted in the regular schedule during a Championship series is not up to me in any way, and thus not really a relevant topic for this thread/discussion.

Hey kelvin, for what it's worth they did do this with the main schedule last year. A lot of games were huge all series long.

What are your thoughts on running this tournament:

14:30, 13 Sep - WCOOP-26: $700 NL Hold'em [Sunday Million SE],*$1.5M Guaranteed, 3,418 players, $2,272,970 prize pool

in the new 700 Super-sized slot, but same as last year (no psko) and this way keeping the original SM, so we get both of them available to play

What average stack size are you targeting for the limit championship events for the intermediate to late stages of the tournament?

The Sunday Warm-Up, Sunday Million, and others go on hiatus during WCOOP. I don't expect this to change in 2016. For the Sunday Million specifically, the reasoning behind this is that running the Sunday Million requires a week of dedicated satellite attention for which there is no room during WCOOP, as that attention is devoted to WCOOP Events.

Indeed. The main schedule tends to explode during WCOOP. For that matter, tournaments on other sites tend to do much better than normal during WCOOP, as well. The world logs on during WCOOP, moreso than at any other time during the year.

That's quite a detailed question for which I don't have a specific, detailed answer at this time. Suffice it to say that what I have in mind is for each tournament's structure to provide a rich, deep playing experience without the play stalling out through meaningless levels.

The reason I asked is because watching the $2k razz from SCOOP, average stack seemed to be about 10-15 big bets in the time between close of late reg and the bubble bursting. That seemed a bit short to me for a championship event, but I wasn't sure what was standard stack depth for a limit event.

Late registration closed at 15:30 ET, with 70 players remaining in the tournament. 57 players had been eliminated at that point. The starting stack was 10,000 chips, so the average stack at that point was 18,143 chips. The level at that time was Level 12: 120/180/600.

The bubble burst at 19:14 ET, with 16 players remaining, making the average stack 79,375 chips. The level at that time was Level 19: 640/960/3200.

Before now, I hadn't heard or read any comments that the stacks were short in the limit Events. In fact, I heard and read more than a few comments that the structures were quite good this year. That's not to say that there isn't room for improvement, just that I'm surprised to read the above.

I dont remember it happening, i just dont want to be playing 10 tournaments a day during the series because the offer is to poor, while i could play 15 or 20

Lets say we have a 1k WCOOP on a tuesday, if u get the 162 ultra deep and make it 50k GTD it will clearly reach, and i'll be happy to play, but if it still 10k nobody will play, including myself. I think there are a lot of ppl that think the same

If the main schedul will not be worked during WCOOP, i just think second chances are very, very important.

I just happen to have a screenshot from the WCOOP last year that shows the GTDs changing. I don't know exactly what Luke is planning this fall but the GTDs def changed throughout the series last year. It's also worth noting that the GTDs themselves didn't really dictate traffic. When there was a big NLH WCOOP running, all the games got huge. I don't think you need to worry about that...

Thanks for the replies, Bryan. I'm just an avid railer and also newer to the non-NLHE tournament scene, so I was just curious what one would say is a good average stack depth for, say, a razz championship event. The stats you shared above certainly seem to show that the average stack depths were much deeper than I had thought, more in line with WSOP limit championship event average stack depths. Please don't read my comments as feedback on the actual quality of the events, as I haven't and have no plans in the near future to play any of these events.

*now back to thread lurking with me*

You usually simply say 600/1200 for limit games, the small bet, and the big bet. 15 BigBets are roughly as much as 40-50bb in NLHE.

Bryan, do you think that bigger Antes would enhance or reduce the possible edges in Stud-games?

has any survey been sent out to players?

an Event which starts out deep and then gets more shallow

e.g. variable level times like so: 30 / 20 / 15 / 12 / 10


Do this.

Satan, is that you?

the increase to 700/1k was a good price point

+1 more than 3 events a day, chaining the ideas together, split between 700/1k and 109-320 levels. I know it's not SCOOP, but no reason it has to be capped at 3 a day

more rebuy/addons

more Zoom rebuy/addons

Not more rebuys/add ons when these are raked and have less interest than plain vanilla. Not as many players rebuy/add on so they just end up playing more like freezeouts anyways but with higher rake and shorter stacks.

Japan player piling on here. There's not much you can do about the timezone problem, the Asia-Pacific players just have to suck it up and pull some all-nighters. But if you can try to have the gems of the tournament start on Saturday night (2000 here, 1100 in Europe, 0700 on East Coast), that will maximize participation world-wide. Friday nights are good here, too, but I suppose won't be convenient for the rest of the world.

And a +1 to the fully-localized satellites, as well.

Edit: For what it's worth, Monday 19 September is a holiday in Japan this year, so Sunday night tournaments on the 18th will work, too.

This, but please dont have ANY rebuys/add-ons.

If enough events are rebuys I will legit just skip this series and be oi Amayastars.

I tend to think that anything which commits chips to the pot before much is known about hand strengths tends to reduce edges.

A survey went out to high-rollers last week, asking about potential high-roller tournaments in WCOOP 2016. Aside from that, no.

After much consideration, the idea for such an Event has been discarded.

There are multiple reasons for capping most days at three Events per day, including the running of satellites and the fact that there is a limit on how much can be played at once and the fact that the players' bankrolls are not infinite. On the current version (01) of the schedule, most days have three Events, though some days (Friday/Saturday/Sunday) have more.

Scheduling decisions are not made based on rake; never have been, never will be.

Thanks for that. In the current working schedule, there are some tournaments set at much earlier times than we've ever had them before, targeted at Oceania. That's not a guarantee that those tournaments will survive to the final version, but they're in there for the moment.

That's entirely a personal decision, of course, for you or any other player. At the moment, about 9% of the Events in the series are rebuy tournaments. (Last year, 13% were rebuys.)

It's probably too clever by half, but having more and better competition from the Far East will help to emphasize the "WC" part of WCOOP and could be another way to distinguish it from SCOOP. Last year, there was only one WCOOP winner from outside Europe or the Americas (Matthew Wakeman) and none from Asia. This was almost certainly a function of both the quantity and quality of players out here, but making it more convenient for us to participate will improve the tournament long-term.

Localized satellites will also help tremendously. The nightly and weekly regional satellites for the JOPT and APPT finals are very popular (relatively speaking; I'm sure the number of participants is tiny compared to European tournaments) and having some of those for WCOOP will boost Asian-Pacific visibility and participation in the tournament.

Are there firm dates yet? What time zone will the start times be in? Would like to make arrangements before flight costs go crazy😜

In case of WCOOP starting on a Sunday, could we please have a Special Version of the 44$ Sunday Marathon, called WCOOP Ultrathon, with 30 min blinds and a sweet 400K+ guarantee to kick it off?
(Just let the day 2 on Monday and day 3 on Tuesday start at 20:00 CET, instead of 13:15 / 12 hours for day 1 and ~ 6 hours for day 2 and 3 seems appropriate in this case, I think)

It would allow a lof of micro-/low-stakes players to enjoy a WCOOP Championship Event, and I think participation would be extremely huge, if decent sats will be offered some time in advance.
And for sure, rec players who'd make the last 2-3 tables would fire a lot of other WCOOP Events afterwards, likely having their most enjoyable and exciting series they ever had. You could give free tickets, at least for satellites, as a deposit-bonus, without dipping to much into the rake-pockets, as with the good old rakeback-deposit-bonus offers that once existed, and those who want to play the later higher buy-in games on that Sunday would have to skip it, hence make the field more recreational friendly, as another benefit.

+1

this is a fantastic idea