700/1k distinction seems kinda arbitrary, draw high and limit holdem get higher buyins than a bunch of more commonly played and, if the 2-7sd uproar is to be believed, more popular games? imo make them all 1k min, but if not, surely the more popular games merit the higher buyins?

1k >>>>>>>>>>>> 700 for championship events (obviously if you finally decide to decrease it from 2k).

In the above list, the more popular games have gotten the higher buy-ins, with the exception of NL Draw and 7-Card Stud Hi/Lo. I've actually corrected that in Version 7 and made it NL Draw $700 instead of $1,050 and 7-Card Stud Hi/Lo $1,050 instead of $700. I can definitely see the argument for making them all $1,050 (or all $700) and having done with it, though... considering that, as well.

2k>>1k>>700

imo to make them stand out as significant, annual "championship" events should be differentiated from the regular weekly schedules as far as practical. That means, eg,:

- much longer levels/better structure
- much bigger guarantees
- much bigger buy-ins, preferably at least matching SCOOP H
- bracelet/prizes

I realise the buyins may be too high for some, but:

- There are other series with lower buyins
- There are other events (the majority) in WCOOP with lower buyins
- Any buyin level will be too high for some peeps
- Satellites

Look I understand the bigger buyin thing in nlhe, as there are weekly 1ks 200rs etc etc. But literally almost every other variant can't support that kind of buyin, for games like plo8 or (insert random other game here) there is virtually no way for 99% of the people who regularly play the game to play it. Esp when you consider that there are basically 2 mtts a week in that variant over 82 dollars, and that's one of the most popular other games.

If you want to have a 2k dick off in every non holdem variant there needs to be also a 215-530 that everyone has a reasonable chance to play, and given that they have made it clear that they aren't doing that this year, pricing the games based on the popularity of that variant is the best way to go.

Looks awesome! great job implementing the feedback!

I think it's important to have all the non holdem events get a consistent buy in regardless of what that is. tbh all price points from $700 up to $2100 are feasible but the higher you go the importance of well thought out and priced satellites becomes more of an issue.

If the championship events are set at $700 or $1050 why not try out a few non holdem mixed games at the 2k price point to get a better idea if this could work for 2016. Going with 2k's this year would be a gamble and I can't blame Stars for not taking it.

Nobody who loves any of these games are going to miss out because they are $700 or $1050 instead of $2100. Where as $2100 would certainly price out a lot more people. Glad to see there will be robust sat options for these price points.

do we like 1050 events when step 5 is 700?

Ridding the 2ks because a few mistakes regs complained about being left out while most the players that will Fire don't even read this thread seems bold.

You should email the player pool that fired the 2ks in scoop for more well rounded feedback

why do you consider it being important? PLO for example, is a lot more popular than lets say 5c draw, especially at the higher stakes.

I agree that PLO is a much bigger draw then any other; and by a big margin but it seems Stars want's to go with a consistent theme to not make any event more prestigious then any other. Perhaps an extra PLO/other variant mixed offering might fill that demand.

All the latest changes sound great.

I think 700$ for championship events is the best amount. 2100$ was clearly too much

Good stuff Bryan

bryan this is now perfect non-holdem wise.

i do agree having 2 price points is better than 3.

i think all the 700$'s should become 1k's, and too keep those who want the 2k's happy maybe add the FL holdem and one of the 08's to the 2k bracket.

This would be so awesome if the step sngs weren't raked so extremely harshly. I would step into everything if they'd be a bit more reasonable. Nevertheless some kind of step mtt stuff during wcoop sounds great!

+1 like the changes a lot

Monday, September 7th

11:00 - $700 NL Hold'em [Progressive Super-Knockout]
14:00 - $215 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Rebuys]
17:00 - $700 PL Omaha [6-Max] (Monday PLO SE)

Friday, September 11th

11:00 - $700 NL Hold'em [6-Max, 3-Stack]
14:00 - $2,100 7-Card Stud Hi/Lo Championship
17:00 - $320 NL Hold'em [Zoom]

Tuesday, September 15th

11:00 - $215 PL 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo [6-Max, 2R1A]
14:00 - $1,050 NL Hold'em (Super Tuesday SE)
17:00 - $2,100 FL Omaha Hi/Lo Championship [8-Max]

Wednesday, September 16th

08:00 - $2,100 FL Badugi Championship
11:00 - $320 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Optional Re-Entry]
14:00 - $320 PL Omaha w/Rebuys [6-Max]


Friday, September 18th

11:00 - $2,100 Triple Draw 2-7 Championship
14:00 - $530 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Shootout]
17:00 - $215 NL Hold'em [Rebuys]

Saturday, September 19th

11:00 - $1,050 NL Hold'em [Ultra-Deep]
14:00 - $320 HORSE
17:00 - $215 NL Hold'em [Big Antes, Optional Re-Entry]

Tuesday, September 22nd

11:00 - $530 PL Omaha [6-Max, 3-Stack]
14:00 - $2,100 NL Hold'em (Super Tuesday SE)
17:00 - $2,100 Razz Championship

Wednesday, September 23rd

08:00 - $320 PL 5-Card Omaha [6-Max, 1R1A]
11:00 - $530 NL Hold'em [Rebuys]
14:00 - $2,100 PL Omaha Championship [6-Max, Optional Re-Entry]

Friday, September 25th

11:00 - $700 NL Hold'em [1R1A]
14:00 - $530 PL Omaha Hi/Lo [6-Max]
17:00 - $2,100 FL Hold'em Championship [6-Max]

Saturday, September 26th

11:00 - $700 PL Omaha [Heads-Up]
14:00 - $700 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Progressive Super-Knockout]
17:00 - $2,100 HORSE Championship


Are these the official day's for the req's and L-M stake grinders to take days off? I guess some req's will be lucky enough to sat into them ; O.. but 4real though, put a serious GREAT GTD on the 2nd chances so also L-M regs will have a good schedule also....

this makes me sad i´m a o8 player and there is only 1 Mtt i can barely afford.
the 6max nlo8 PKO.
why are the o8 games so expansive?

Ideal WCOOP (assume 75 events):

60% NLHE (45 events) - wide mix of tourney formats/buyins etc.

40% other variants (30 events) - championship in each popular event + lower buyin equivalent (eg 2100 and 320). Rest mostly omaha and mixed events.

Why reinvent the wheel? WSOP have been refining their series for decades. Just copy more of their successful series features. You've made a move towards championship events (but need to include lower buyin equivalents). What about a milly-maker? SHR mixed game player championship? Charity event?

Super Tuesday milly maker would be amazing and easy to pull off looking at the Sunday milly anniversaries

[QUOTE=raidalot;47327891]Ideal WCOOP (assume 75 events):

60% NLHE (45 events) - wide mix of tourney formats/buyins etc.

40% other variants (30 events) - championship in each popular event + lower buyin equivalent (eg 2100 and 320). Rest mostly omaha and mixed events.

Why reinvent the wheel? WSOP have been refining their series for decades. Just copy more of their successful series features. You've made a move towards championship events (but need to include lower buyin equivalents). What about a milly-maker? SHR mixed game player championship? Charity event?[/QUOTE]




This is what I'd like to see for the wrap up. It seems no one wants a zoom so it's been tough for Stars to come up with the right tourney for this spot.

Why not a charity event for this spot where all rake is 1st matched by Stars and then donated to charity and let the players decide, through social media, the charity. Good publicity/exposure for the company and players will feel good about finishing the WCOOP on a high note.

Pm me at the time and I will consider taking all the action you want to sell.

Buy-Ins have been set for the 15 annual Championship Events, as mentioned in the discussion above.

In the end, five of the events were placed at the $700 level...

$700 7-Card Stud Championship
$700 FL Badugi Championship
$700 NL Draw Championship
$700 NL Single Draw 2-7 Championship
$700 Triple Draw 2-7 Championship

...and six at the $1,050 level...

$1,050 7-Card Stud Hi/Lo Championship
$1,050 FL Hold'em Championship [6-Max]
$1,050 FL Omaha Hi/Lo Championship [8-Max]
$1,050 NL Omaha Hi/Lo [6-Max] Championship
$1,050 PL Omaha Hi/Lo Championship [6-Max]
$1,050 Razz Championship

...with two at the $2,100 level...

$2,100 HORSE Championship
$2,100 PL Omaha Championship [6-Max]

...and then two at $5,200 or higher...

$5,200 NL Hold'em Championship Main Event - $10,000,000 Guaranteed, $1.5M+ to 1st Place
$10,300 8-Game Championship

All of the Events above will be multi-day tournaments.

Thank you as always for the feedback, everyone!