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Old 02-03-2012, 06:04 PM   #1
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Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

tldr warning -- cliffs at bottom

I had hoped to avoid ever making a post like this, but unfortunately, I feel that I have run out of options and at this point, I believe I need to warn the community about Jeffrey May of Seatac, Washington who played as SilentNut (FTP)/SilentNut2 (Merge/Hero) among other names on Merge skins.

I began staking SilentNut in May 2011 on Hero. Our deal was I would stake him in 44+ FOs and 30+ rebuys and he would play the lower stakes on his own roll.

In August he asked for the first of several loans and promised to repay the loans through profits from his roll or from the stake. I gave him several loans in August and September that in total amounted to around $7,000-$8,000. All of these loans were paid back from his winnings and everything went smoothly.

In September, I provided another loan of $1,500. Since he was in significant makeup, we agreed he would repay that loan through profits on tournaments not included on the stake. In mid-October, he had run out of money to play low stakes tournaments on his own roll, so I agreed to loan him an additional $1,500 with the same conditions.

In late October, he was having a prolonged downswing and needed cash. I agreed to loan him an additional $3,000 at the end of October. Since I began staking him, he had talked about a large inheritance he expected to receive in fall 2011. Between his profits from low stakes tournaments, his past history of repayments, and his expected inheritance I thought it was a reasonably safe loan and trusted him. He agreed to repay that loan with $2,000 interest no later than when his inheritance was received, which was expected in the next 2-4 weeks. None of these loans have been repaid.

It was around this time that significant problems began to develop. He left Hero and moved to the Stride network due to a deal he was offered on Stride. He agreed to buyout his makeup (at 100%) and pay off the loans when he received his inheritance. In the interim, he would pay me by giving me 100% of his profit earned on Stride. When he left Hero, makeup was $19,000 and there was $2,025 of stake funds in his account.

I requested that those funds be returned, but he said due to a misunderstanding between him and the Hero CEO, the money had already been removed. I continually asked for that money from early November through December and he provided a variety of excuses as to why he had not received it. When he finally received the money, he claimed he was broke and unable to send it to me. Instead, he offered to send me the money when his withdrawal from Stride of $2,500 was received. That money was never sent. In my opinion, this is outright theft of $2,025.

His “deal” on Stride didn’t pan out and in December he asked to continue the staking agreement, but I refused to do so until the money withdrawn from the stake was returned. Since he was unable to do so, our deal remained suspended. He played on Hero intermittently in December (about 7-8 days), but did not profit as far as I can tell (based on OPR). In addition, he told me on 1-2 occasions that he was not playing elsewhere. Although I don’t have definitive proof, I highly suspect it was an outright lie. I believe in December or January, he played on RPM. I have heard that he attempted to use a third party to remove money from RPM in January.

He contacted me one week ago and said he “was begging” to continue the stake. I agreed to let him play 60 FOs and below as well 30rs and below. I sent $1,000 on January 26 and he played his first session on January 30. He profited approximately $1,750 and at the end of the session told me via skype he was transferring the $1,750 profit to me. I still have not received that money and believe he may have withdrawn the profit and initial $1,000 I sent.

For the past 4 days, I have requested the profit be transferred. The day after his session, he told me his internet died the night before and he was unable to submit the transfer. The next day he said there was a family emergency and he would send that night. Since then, he has repeatedly mentioned a family emergency and said he was unable to log on and send me the profits. I offered an alternative – which was for him to email the Hero CEO and request the transfer be made. His latest excuse was that he could not figure out how to send an email from his phone and therefore couldn’t email the Hero CEO. After receiving a series of excuses for the past 4 days, my patience has wore out. Based on recent history, I do not believe any of his excuses are true and I now believe he is just attempting to give me the run around.

At this point, he owes me $5,900 from loans (plus $2,000 in interest), has stolen at least $2,025 and up to $5,000 from the stake and has an additional $15,000-$18,000 in makeup (total makeup is $20,000 minus the stolen money).

Cliffs:

  • Provided multiple loans to SilentNut of $7-8k in August/September; all were repaid
  • Provided 3 loans for $6k total in September/October and have not been repaid
  • He removed $2,025 from the stake without authorization in November and has failed to repay
  • Restarted the stake 1 week ago and I suspect after the first session removed, without authorization, the $1,000 initial amount and all profits of around $1,750-$1,800.
  • Owes me a total of $7,900 from loans and $20,000 in money removed from the stake/makeup

I would warn everyone in the community to be cautious when trading/dealing with SilentNut. I’m hoping this situation gets resolved and he pays up, but at this point, I’ve heard too many excuses and believe he is outright stealing/scamming.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:50 PM   #2
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

I can confirm this as I am in the same type of situation with Jeff/Silentnut2...He has owed me $5,800 now for two months. I was helping him transfer his roll off Stride and the transfer never hit my account...Have been in contact with him ever since but there are always different excuses. He has been constantly talking about this "inheritance" that is supposed to be coming that he can pay me back with but I have lost faith in the situation and chalked it up to variance.

Hopefully he can get back on his feet at some point and make the repayments...But I am not holding my breath. He seemed like a real genuine person from our conversation on skype and over the phone..and I believe he is just truly in bad place in his life and needs to smarten up and take responsibility for his actions and figure how what he can do to pay us back.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:56 PM   #3
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

$2000 interest on a $3000 loan for 2-4 weeks. That's pretty usurious.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:03 PM   #4
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

Shouldn't you be trying to just recover the funds you lost? Why are you worried about interest? Other than that this guy sounds like a scumbag, and you are definitely owed everything.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:07 PM   #5
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

inheritance tho
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:08 PM   #6
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

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$2000 interest on a $3000 loan for 2-4 weeks. That's pretty usurious.
Agreed. I was cash strapped at the time and didn't have money to loan him. He offered those terms and I agreed.

That loan was a mistake that I now regret. I got caught up in his story about getting evicted and having his newborn son out on the street and other sob stories. With the interest he was offering and my feelings towards his situation, I decided to do it, which was a mistake.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:10 PM   #7
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

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I can confirm this as I am in the same type of situation with Jeff/Silentnut2...He has owed me $5,800 now for two months. I was helping him transfer his roll off Stride and the transfer never hit my account...Have been in contact with him ever since but there are always different excuses. He has been constantly talking about this "inheritance" that is supposed to be coming that he can pay me back with but I have lost faith in the situation and chalked it up to variance.

Hopefully he can get back on his feet at some point and make the repayments...But I am not holding my breath. He seemed like a real genuine person from our conversation on skype and over the phone..and I believe he is just truly in bad place in his life and needs to smarten up and take responsibility for his actions and figure how what he can do to pay us back.
Sorry to hear that. I cross posted on P5s and quoted you there, hope you don't mind.

http://www.pocketfives.com/f10016/th...t-long-658061/

He owes at least one other person who will post on P5s at some point this weekend. I'll make sure that post is cross posted here.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:27 PM   #8
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

sigh too much of this **** happening lately !
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:35 PM   #9
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

Tyson is a stand-up guy. I am truely sorry to hear about this. I hope Tyson gets paid, but doesn't sound too promising with another story in this thread and sounds like a 3rd story to be released soon.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:43 PM   #10
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

damn that blows, i remember seeing this guy a lot , then he sort of just dissapeared for a while.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:56 PM   #11
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

people actually try to make a living playing mtts backed on merge? seems like a tragedy

2000 interest is pretty absurd but anyway seems doubtful he's ever going to repay you...impending inheritances seem like a huge run-around. gl tho
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:02 PM   #12
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

I would have quit giving loans forever ago....and lol...yeah he burned you, but he will be broke again within a week. What a tool....gl with this.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:15 PM   #13
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Re: Theft/Scam by Horse - Warning re: Jeffrey May/SilentNut (Long)

I posted the below on P5, just saw the link to this thread. Sadly it seems from the OPs comments about him trying to transfer off in January it was my money he was transferring. I guess he got me for 1-2k hard to tell exactly how much. He never asked for a loan or mentioned inheritance, but his step father died, maybe, Dec 30th. I did google motorcycle accidents in the area he said they lived and no mention of any deaths, usually they are at least minor news.

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Well I certainly wish this was posted earlier. I staked him as bigfinnit on RPM recently. I will make it short and sweet. I started staking him about December 22, 2011. He did okay, then disappeared, he told me his Step Father died in a motorcycle accident and he had to fly back to PA. When he got back he started to grind, but his rails where down 800 whille SS showed him up 800. I decided this was due to rebuy issues. I was smart and asked him to transfer to 2 of my other players to reduce his roll, this worked out fine. Obv believable since RPM's 4 day wait on transfers he understood why this was needed. Then on Sunday Jan 20th, he convinced me to reload him $500, I did have my reservations but did. He said he would grind all day, I checked the next day and he hadn't played at all. When I contacted him on Skype, he said his girl friend was very sick and he had to take care of their kid, but he would grind the rest of the week. A few days later with no action I asked again what was up and he said his sisters 2 year old was in the hospital and he would send back all funds as soon as he was back home. I have seen him playing as silentnut2 the last few days on Merge. I was hoping to avoid starting a thread like this until I was refunded, but I guess the cat is out of the bag.

Below is my Skype conversation with him, I bolded one section where I asked him to send me his transfer history, you can see there was a formatting error when I asked him to send me his transfer issue as if he deleted a transfer but didn't hit the enter key so there was no space. After seeing this I can't believe I was gullible enough to send him another $500. Just glad I kept him on a tight leash.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1.../edit?hl=en_US
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:17 PM   #14
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Oh, I am not the one other person Tyson refers to above, I am sure he didn't know about me.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:44 PM   #15
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It looks like there are at least 4 of us -- check the P5s post for the full log.

It's me, Manhat10ite, suchsickaments and loose cannon jj.
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