Villain is mid-stakes player w/o any significant achievements in 150 tourneys, which is ok.

He`s also a finnish guy who I played with before in this tourney and he was aggressive and was 3betting a lot.

He came to FT as chip-leader and in this hand we levelled in chips for the 1st time. But since 6 handed- on ft he played much more snug style, probably bc of ICM or bc other players started to playback at him, including me.

I arrived as a shortie to the FT and also due to softness of the field I was pretty tight unless 5handed- getting significantly looser later.

We`ve started 3 handed several hands ago and having some good spots and cards I already 3bet twice and won both pre. Also won some pots p/f as OR.

His total stats are 25/21/15 - 3bet and just 1 4bet in 250 hands.
And it`s 1st time he 4bets on FT.

My stats 23/20/12.

3rd guy is some small stakes player, whose name I don`t recognize.
Payouts are top heavy - 3900/2000/1300.

PartyGaming - $5+$1|25000/50000 NL - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): 2,777,781.00
BTN: 2,747,670.00
SB: 2,459,909.00

Hero posts ante 5,000.00, BTN posts ante 5,000.00, SB posts ante 5,000.00, SB posts SB 25,000.00, Hero posts BB 50,000.00

Pre Flop: (90000.00) Hero has J J

BTN raises to 100,000.00, fold, Hero raises to 285,555.00, BTN raises to 517,750.00, Hero....

I`ll do math later, just want your opinions what do you think is best considering everything.
I`m not folding to 4bet obv but there`re ICM concerns and it`s pretty soft field.

lol

roflcopter

I will start to write walls of text to the most std hands now, too.

Sort of agree with others here that we should never consider folding with these stack icm should not factor in this spot.

3 handed everyone 50bbs effective we can just flat his 4b(still have 2-1 spr) but but I dont mind a 5ball in the eyeball either vs this guy

Im not folding to 4bet obv
and not happy to gii vs someone who 4bet 1st time with that numbers in soft field.

Nothing to agree/disagree with cause they said nothing.

Wanted to get a view on my options basically, provided ton of info to describe my doubts.

First, I don't think we can put too much stake in his 4 bet stats in this spot. We are 3 handed. Hand values change drastically. Even if he's tight, I can see him 4 betting hands like AJ and mid pairs.

I think 5 bet shove here is the only legitimate choice.

the other choices are a stop and go but the post flop SPR will be something like 2.2:1 and an open donk shove is a little too much here and if we donk something like 1/2 pot we would have to call something liker 1.5M to win 3.5M is a FML spot if he shoves over your stop and go.

Call and evaluate? 60% of the time an overcard will hit and were just guessing whether he has this or not.

Call and c/rai over his c-bet. This one is the best of the call options, however, we have the great luxury of getting called by mostly hands that beat us or still have good equity and have him fold the hands we beat.

But if we shove now, we still get him to call with hands that may miss and fold the flop, like middle pairs and AK/AQ.

yea just gii i guess
but dont think its as lol as some people have said
again does furo even play poker or just post on others hands i have never seen him post a hand ever

i just troll

i get the distinct feeling you are like top 5% of posters on this forum furo

Its 3handed and you have the fourth best hand in nlhe and an opponent who probably realized you loosen up as the FT progressed. Also hes 4b/c worse here. Whats the point of this thread ?

3 handed vs an aggro player this is a very standard gii imo

oh man please stop posting standard spots, bbv is this way and ssmtt is the other way

It will be std in regs fest, but it`s 6r with complete randoms who never won 4k in their "careers"... I understand it seems std cause yes JJ is monster 3handed, but I just don`t want to sacrifice my postflop edge going into preflop flip.

you want me to jam 2.7m chips and expect to get called by AK or TT, I don`t get it. Or you say he`d fold tons? That`s all really odd.

It`s not really like I won`t have better spots, I think the more hands I`d play post-flop the bigger my edge would be.

I can calc $ev of jamming, but there`s nothing I can compare it with bc I`m not going fold to 4bet.

why would we ever jam? im pretty sure that you have more raise sizes then all of them unless you're a bingo playing monkey






Which you are

no offense op, but you have no post flop skill edge

easy jam pf

I`m asking should we as someone suggested? I`m not saying we should

no, you're creating silly bad threads in the msmtt portion of twoplustwo to incite an argument and a storm of even more hatred against you, which i've come into voluntarily because i feel like it on a Monday where I have nothing better to do

it`s not obv for me, that`s why I posted it. It`s not intentionally to induce some degen trolling from you Joe.

I think everyone saying "lol, standard jam durrrr" is just button clicking. This opponent hasn't made a significant run before. And even though his opening range and 3b range is loose, doesn't mean his 4b range is super wide with a payday he hasn't achieved before on the line. He's not snap gii with ATs or KQ or 88.

1s place pays 3x 3rd. I'd like to see a reasonable 4b range with math on our eq and its prob an ICM fold. Flame away.

pretty confident if he isn't folding 99/TT to a ship it is pretty clearly +EV to ship it in

well then play better or learn more cause its pretty obvious you should have a plan

abs sure he`s folding 99, but mostly calling 3bet to set-mine. How on earth have you came to that conclusion, my friend?

Would you even 4bet 99 in this spot as OR? 4b/c?
you`re so ******ed.....fml

Ok, my plan: he opened 4/5 buttons, I 3bet for value expecting him to fold of flat bc he never 4bet before, he 4bets -- I think my best shot is to call considering all reasons I already stated and bc I really can`t range him at that spot to make any kind of reasonable assumptions.

Wanted your views on that.

Ha, are you like 15?

Are you aware of this cognitive bias OP? Pretty sure you are a text book case.