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12-28-2015 , 04:29 PM

1moreHand

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1 What you think is the avg. roi of all the regs playing the Sunday Million?

2 For which buyin should a player play in a non sunday random tourney to have about the same edge he has at the Sunday Million?

3 How many tables you think a "Sunday Million reg" plays on avg.?

4 At which buyin level should a player play to have about the same Sunday Milion roi in a SCOOP event?

Thanks a lot.

Last edited by 1moreHand; 12-28-2015 at 04:39 PM.

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12-28-2015 , 06:38 PM

blakkman08

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Avg roi of all the regs is very vague as there are dumb nits and super crushers whose roi will differ by over 100%. But I would guess the avg roi of all is in the 20% range as this mtt is the softest thing ever.

Avg number of tables is probably 8ish but varies from 4-32

The other questions I didn't quite get

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12-28-2015 , 07:13 PM

1moreHand

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^^

First of all thanks really a lot for answering.

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Originally Posted by blakkman08

The other questions I didn't quite get

Sorry, can't really express myself in english, let's try again:

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2 For which buyin should a player play in a non sunday random tourney to have about the same edge he has at the Sunday Million?

Ex.: player x has an average 20% roi at the Sunday Million. But now is monday afternoon, there are 4 tourneys going for 10, 27, 55 and 100 $. Where is player x most likely to have an avg. roi closest to the 20%?

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4 At which buyin level should a player play to have about the same Sunday Milion roi in a SCOOP event?

Again, player x has an avg. roi of 20% at the S.M. It's SCOOP season, there are SCOOP tournaments running for: 50, 100, 200, 300, 400... 1000$.
Where is player x most likely to have an avg. roi closest to the 20%?

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12-28-2015 , 08:39 PM

wantme1234

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sunday milion has propapably same lvl as 10$ weekday tourney .
Depends on scoop event and a day of a week u have defrents lvl of players . buy propebly on 55 gonna similar lvl as on 215$ on sunday when scopp is going on

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12-29-2015 , 08:20 AM

SeaKing

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The reason the SM is so soft is because a large % of players pay significantly less than the $215 entry fee because of satellites, If I had to guess the average entry pays under $50 to play.

1 Depends a lot on who you classify as a "reg", 15% - 35% I guess. It used to be A LOT higher, but there are many more players that can be classified as some sort of "reg" in 2015 than in previous years.

2 Big 16.50 has about the same average table composition I would say.

3 ~7

4 The 215 scoop that replaces the Sunday Million on some Sundays.

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12-30-2015 , 09:42 AM

DoGGz

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if the average reg only has 20% roi in the million, that's including a lot of regs who are break even.

If you aren't profiting in the million, you aren't a reg, you are a rec.

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12-30-2015 , 09:48 AM

buffyslayer1

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Those av roi for the million seem a bit low ball to me.

Would have thought at least 50% roi for an average reg if not more.

I obv don't really know but, the tournament has so many satty qualifiers in it and field is so big it's rare you get a tough table if at all.

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12-30-2015 , 11:01 AM

khanrava

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Yeah, I would estimate it at being a little softer than the daily big 22.

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12-30-2015 , 04:21 PM

OMGClayDol

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almost no chance the average reg has 50% roi
the average marketplace reg who consistently sells out in the million with 1.2+ mu is most likely below 50%

most people overestimate edges, especially their own and as mentioned already itt there's a pretty big difference between top regs who will beat it for 100+ and okish regs who will have a healthy winrate considerably lower than 100

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