side by side blind structure:Venetian vs Caesars deep stacks

[Zpaceman]

Originally Posted by driller_chicago

does anyone think that "the great Venetian structure will make the field tougher than Caesars" argument is a valid one? I am now obsessing on it.

No doubt that V fields in 2008 were much much tougher than those in 2007 (much larger percentage of competent online pros). I expect the trend to continue, although the improved structures over at the Rio may mean that more online pro players chose to play more of the $1500/$2000/$2500 events there rather than the V events (it certainly influenced me to include more Rio events my plans). I still think there will be more value at CP despite the structural deficiencies but it might depend on the field sizes and composition, which I won't know until I get there and try my first one on 12th June - can't wait!

[driller_chicago]

Originally Posted by Zpaceman

No doubt that V fields in 2008 were much much tougher than those in 2007 (much larger percentage of competent online pros). I expect the trend to continue, although the improved structures over at the Rio may mean that more online pro players chose to play more of the $1500/$2000/$2500 events there rather than the V events (it certainly influenced me to include more Rio events my plans). I still think there will be more value at CP despite the structural deficiencies but it might depend on the field sizes and composition, which I won't know until I get there and try my first one on 12th June - can't wait!

I don't understand how you can claim that the CP series has more value. Is your assessment solely based on the fact that weaker players won't bother to check the structures and go for bigger stack instead? I cant' buy that...

[PokerFink]

Someone mentioned comps - you get a $10 food voucher for each Venetian tournament you register for. They will (probably) also have free food available from like noon to 6pm, they generally do that during DSE. So two free meals basically. I have no idea what Caesars offers. Venetian also has better/higher cash games.

My .02 is that you're way better off just playing the 1500 events at the WSOP. Softer fields, plus the massive overlay of it being the WSOP and all that comes with that. Playing 1 WSOP 1500 is better than playing 3 deepstacks, imo.

[argablarg]

Originally Posted by PokerFink

Someone mentioned comps - you get a $10 food voucher for each Venetian tournament you register for. They will (probably) also have free food available from like noon to 6pm, they generally do that during DSE. So two free meals basically. I have no idea what Caesars offers. Venetian also has better/higher cash games.

My .02 is that you're way better off just playing the 1500 events at the WSOP. Softer fields, plus the massive overlay of it being the WSOP and all that comes with that. Playing 1 WSOP 1500 is better than playing 3 deepstacks, imo.

i never noticed this. where/how/what kind of food??

[DonkeyChip]

IMO, a lot of the differences cancel out somewhat...except one...$10K off the top of the CP events for that ME seat.

I like to speak with my wallet and hate when they do that (take a bunch out of the kitty for a seat in another tourney that I had no intention of playing). So Caesars is a def no for me.

[PokerFink]

Originally Posted by argablarg

i never noticed this. where/how/what kind of food??

It's in the front of the main poker room.... pretty big spread you can't miss it. I dunno if it's the same thing every day or what but it's decent.

[LoLTehRigged]

Originally Posted by PokerFink

It's in the front of the main poker room.... pretty big spread you can't miss it. I dunno if it's the same thing every day or what but it's decent.

They didn't do the free food in the poker room area during this last February 2009 series as they've done at previous ones. At least not at the ones I went to (5 events).

[driller_chicago]

It seems that the first day was a smash hit for the Venetian, 700 people to 200 for Caesars.

[thutter]

Originally Posted by driller_chicago

It seems that the first day was a smash hit for the Venetian, 700 people to 200 for Caesars.

Is this correct? I guess that makes the decision a lot easier.

[driller_chicago]

I know the Venetian had 700 but Caesars is not confirmed. Someone told me 200 but I also have heard 500. Wish someone could chime in...

[ZBTHorton]

Originally Posted by driller_chicago

I know the Venetian had 700 but Caesars is not confirmed. Someone told me 200 but I also have heard 500. Wish someone could chime in...

I don't know many(any) 2p2'rs who like the Caesars structure, so I doubt you will find many people who play there.

I played one there last year, and won't be back until they bring in antes earlier, and stop taking 10K away from first for a WSOP seat.

[RileyBoy]

Just looked at the results of each casino's June 8 $300 tourney:

Venetian: 839 players ... prize pool = $242,890
Caesars: 156 players ... prize pool = $45,396

[theshepler]

So obv the Venetian is better. That has been established thoroughly. However, with the restructuring of the Caesars events by taking out the ME seat and adding levels, has the gap narrowed? With these changes would it be more +EV to play in Caesars, especially noting that the luck factor will go down with the smaller field and that it's softer? Plus they made all they tournaments $340's.

[theshepler]

Caesar's Palace Mega Stack Changes 6/9/09

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Caesar's Mega Stack Series From June 9th to July 6th changes:

Everyday at noon: $300 + 30 12,000 chips, plus $10 add on for 3,000 chips

*no longer money taken out for a main event seat."

50 minute levels:

New Structure:

25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200/25 ante
200/400/50
300/600/75
400/800/100
600/1200/100
800/1600/200
1000/2000/300
1500/3000/400
2000/4000/500
3000/6000/500
4000/8000/1000
6000/12000/1000
8000/16000/2000
10000/20000/3000
15000/30000/3000
20000/40000/3000
30000/60000/4000
40000/80000/5000
60000/120000/5000
80000/160000/10000
100000/200000/20000

[Adam_MM]

Heading out to Vegas this week...any word on the turnouts for Venetian vs. CP? Is venetian still having wayyy more runners? Have the changes CP made helped their cause at all?