What do people think of my line here? Over 42 hands, villain was 17VPIP, 10 PFR.

Seems fine.

Could shove pre or do exactly this doesnt matter.

would go smaller on flop but w/e

Is there an upper limit on how many BBs one will suggest open shoving these days? First it was 10, then 12, then 15, then 20, now 21.5? I think I saw Ike Haxton open-shove TT with 30BBs in some high roller and got called by JC Tran's AQ.

I'm not saying that it's wrong to be open-shoving this many big blinds, but I'd be interested to know who is leading the way on this intellectually and what the rationale is and what that person thinks should be the upper limit is. My sense is that part of the reason the number keeps getting higher is because people have just become more comfortable open-shoving 15, so it's not that big of a deal to open-shove 20, and then 22, etc, etc. And just because it's correct to do so from a Nash perspective does not make it the optimal play from a GTO perspective.

looks good, way too much in pot already to fold and we are 7/8 in ft.

definitely not open shoving this, we can make much better decisions by r/x

nh

How can we make better decisions when villains can shove worse/better when shoving esp as SS on ft is unexploitable

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If both SB and BB shove to our min-raise, then we can make a better decision. Won't happen often but just sayin'.....

unexploitable only means that it's +ev, not necessarily the MOST +ev play.

Well what he's getting at is that jamming in this specific spot might in fact be the most +ev since sb/bb can(should) be shoving at least moderately wide where r/f and r/c both suck.

agree, but to say we *never* are able to make good decision after we min-raise is clearly not true if both sb and bb shove. obviously, that's only going to happen a small percentage of the time, but it should at least be accounted for in the initial decision whether to shove or min-raise.

also, if we are shoving everything except for our very strong hands, then we have a balancing issue.

sigh

I imagine this is correct maybe a little more Bet PF, but ater this I imagineWho I ill do the same. Exept if the table was good to play, in this case I imagine bet/fold in flop.( I like to thinking if I can take advantage over others players in long time, I prefer not put all my chips in a incompleted hand, because the variance came in cards who will be open)

Totally std.

Open shoves depends on tables and villains a lot. Also on how you've personally played lately that people would notice. The point of open shoving is that it's free chips a huge % of the time and that when you are called you either have the best hand or decent equity. You want to be able to do it to get called light eventually. A5s is a good hand to start a dynamic with.